Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ...
by rainonmoon on Thursday August 09, 2018 @07:19PM
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If I own a nightclub and it becomes a hotspot for the alt-right, who don't align with my values, and I close down that nightclub for that reason, am I censoring them? No, I'm excluding them from my privately-owned space and refusing to associate with them. Nobody's right is being infringed upon here; they're free to go to any other bar. "Whether they can host their own site" is absolutely relevant to what is and isn't censorship because all of the examples in this thread are still totally free to distribute (and even monetize) their content in public.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ...
by kodablah on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:03PM
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> am I censoring them
Yup
> Nobody's right is being infringed upon here
Of course not, who said otherwise? I just disagree wth the decision taken.
> absolutely relevant to what is and isn't censorship
You don't get to make up your own definition of the word. That someone blocks the speech is censorship, by definition, regardless of whether you can say it elsewhere and regardless of what you might want the definition of the word to be. I'm not going to condescendingly paste the definition here, but it's very clear Microsoft is engaged in censorship here.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ...
by rainonmoon on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:55PM
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What I’m saying is: their speech hasn’t been blocked. Microsoft is making a decision not to align with a particular demographic, not shutting them out of public discourse.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ...
by fvdessen on Thursday August 09, 2018 @07:27PM
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Maybe the state should provide hosting services so that the public can express itself freely without fear of being excluded.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ...
by rainonmoon on Thursday August 09, 2018 @07:43PM
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It absolutely should, but then, I'm fundamentally in favour of more services becoming government-owned public utilities. The way this would (ideally) shake out here in Australia, though, is that given hate speech is not protected speech, the result may not be so different.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ...
by stale2002 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:14PM
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Censorship has absolutely nothing to do with the government, and I am confused as to why you think so.
Censorship is when any group at all, uses their power, any power, to attempt to silence others.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ...
by MaupitiBlue on Friday August 10, 2018 @01:12AM
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Because censors were originally Roman government officials, because the dictionary reflects this, and because censor in common usage reflects this definition.
I know that, I am clearly saying I don't want it for any consumer-led efforts.
> That's not censorship
Did you mean to say it's not government censorship or do we just have different definitions of the word? Whether they can host their own site or whatever has absolutely nothing to do with what is and isn't censorship.