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Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by aylmao on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @01:41PM (#17655234)
Because Americans are scared. They had one election with traces of foreign interference (something the US does a lot of, by the way [1]) and a candidate most people didn't vote for won-- because for some reason that's something that can happen in their democracy.

Media outlets noticed there is a lot of spam and misinformation happening on social media, and saw not only great headlines to garner clicks, but also an opportunity to make people distrust smaller sources of information in favor or big, established brands and companies. They drove subscriptions up by creating an aura of mistrust and impending doom [2][3] after historical decline due to the internet.

Did the inflammatory posts actually affect the election? It's unclear, and if so it was likely less so than the coverage of traditional media outlets [4]. That being said, there are inflammatory parties on the internet, and since Americans now seem to think the future of their country depends on removing them, Facebook needs to abide for the sake of PR. Note: this actually costs Facebook time and money (they are hiring a lot of people for this effect [5]) but they've been bashed so much on the media they need all the PR stunts they can get.

It is a slippery slope, I agree. But it's the one people in the US want to follow, again, because they are scared. Fearful people take slippery slopes and focus on apparent short-term solutions instead of long-term objectives (fixing the American political system so the population actually votes for who is president would be a good place to start). There's that quote from the Star Wars trilogy (the best line in the prequels, IMO): "So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause." This comes to mind here. People will willfully act against their interests out of fear.

[1]: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-histor...

[2]: https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/17/media/nytimes-subscription-...

[3]: https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/26/media/washington-post-digit...

[4]: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-did-russian-in...

[5]: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/31/facebook-senate-testimony-do...

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by amaccuish on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @02:14PM (#17655593)
Bang on, and you've picked some reputable sources. America has a rich history in interfering with the elections of other countries. It (possibly) happens to them, and suddenly it's like "how dare they!".

Having recently lived in Russia, people still have not forgotten Yeltsin, and they won't. Luckily at the end of the day however, they mostly separate their frustrations with the American government and the citizens of America.

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by lifeformed on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @07:30PM (#17658246)
> America has a rich history in interfering with the elections of other countries. It (possibly) happens to them, and suddenly it's like "how dare they!".

I don't understand this line of argument. Isn't it clear that the people condemning election interference in the US are also against election interference perpetrated by the US? It's like saying that it's silly for Americans to be upset that they are being bombed by a country, since America bombs other countries.

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by amaccuish on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @08:11AM (#17661734)
The point was that there was no uproar, no real investigations, into America's interference in other countries.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by nasredin on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:29AM (#17661220)
>>Luckily at the end of the day however, they mostly separate their frustrations with the American government and the citizens of America.

In Russia there's the government and the people, in US, in theory, the government is the people.

It doesn't really matter if Russians are frustrated with the "government" or American people.

Russians chose more Cold War style conflict.

BTW Putin ia really not as omnipotent as some people think.

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Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by dang on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @10:48PM (#17659258)
Personal attacks and nationalistic flamewar, both of which you took a big step into here, will get your account banned on Hacker News. Please do not post like this, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by AndrewUnmuted on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @02:54PM (#17655950)
What a bizarre reply. This kind of evasion is reminiscent of the neoconservative responses to people dubious about the Iraq war back in 2003.

Not only did the poster point to source material for his claims, he constructed a sound argument based upon the age-old wisdom of asking the question, "Who benefits?"

I didn't even see one value judgment about the US in the comment.

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by aylmao on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:04PM (#17656057)
I don't think it's a bad thing (: I'm sorry you felt my comment was of hatred towards Americans, it was not. It's mostly to provide the perspective of someone who is not from the US and who as such isn't as scared of the Trump election, and thus thinks this whole situation is about more than good and democracy vs evil and Russian tyrants.

Let me address some points:

1. Never did I mention Facebook shouldn't rid its platform of bad users-- I'm glad they are (and if this hadn't happened they probably wouldn't have, again, cause it takes time and money).

2. Never did I say Americans were dumb or insult them in any other way that should make someone believe I hate them. Saying a people is scared shouldn't be taken as an insult, many peoples and individuals are scared of different things.

3. I didn't expect this to be read as a research paper haha. I'll add more references next time. In regards to the one you pointed out (wether the Russian meddling had high impact), I'd suggest these other articles by The Verge [1] and the New York Times [2] to form an opinion. I'd also suggest watching Jon Stewart's appearance on CNN Crossfire [3]: he was talking about the loss of civilized discourse and transformation of American Politics into a divisive "me vs. you" game back in 2004, before social media was widespread.

[1]: https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/20/17138854/cambridge-analyt...

[2]: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/world/europe/russia-us-el...

[3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by ninkendo on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @07:05PM (#17658097)
> Never did I mention Facebook shouldn't rid its platform of bad users

Sure you did:

> That being said, there are inflammatory parties on the internet, and since Americans now seem to think the future of their country depends on removing them, Facebook needs to abide for the sake of PR

You're implying that the only reason Facebook would need to get rid of bad actors is "for the sake of PR", and that Americans only want to be rid of bad actors "because they're scared."

> Never did I say Americans were dumb or insult them in any other way

Sure you did, you implied through your tone throughout the comment that the desire to be rid of bad actors on facebook is a knee-jerk reaction that Americans are only making due to fear.

It's the tone of your post that is being critiqued, not explicit words you're using per se.