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Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by thecomments on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @12:57PM (#17654821)
Once again, we are seeing very skilled PR from Facebook.

Problem: Media have painted Facebook as an enabler of propaganda

Reality: There is so much activity on Facebook it is impossible to manage, even with the best AI tools available. There is likely next to nothing they can actually do to stop coordinated exploitation by highly skilled and intelligent state actors.

Solution: Make a hollow yet visible action to take steps in the right direction and use it as cover to make a public statement of values knowing that this action is fundamentally inconsequential and that the media and public will be temporarily fooled since most people don’t understand the real situation.

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by cm2012 on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @01:58PM (#17655430)
They're hiring 10,000 full time moderators this year to help police this stuff. It's a serious attempt, and the cost of this on their projected earnings is why the stock crashed.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by samstave on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @02:31PM (#17655744)
Serious question: When does having 10,000 full time FB employee "moderators" to content expressed via their platform cross into the literal definition of Thought Police?

How far are we from when actual laws-with-consequences are passed and enforced via the continual monitoring and moderation of said FB's army of moderators?

When will be the first time a person is (if not having happened already) killed for their postings to FB?

https://www.ranker.com/list/the-13-craziest-deaths-caused-by...

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by dragonwriter on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @02:33PM (#17655765)
> Serious question: When does having 10,000 full time FB employee "moderators" to content expressed via their platform cross into the literal definition of Thought Police?

When FB moderators can impose penalties outside the context of Facebook, like jailing people.

Other than that, Facebook's control of content on its own site may be a good or bad decision, but it's nothing like police power of any kind, “Thought Police" or otherwise.

> When will be the first time a person is (if not having happened already) killed for their postings to FB?

It has probably happened already, but not because of Facebook exerting moderation.

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by philwelch on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @12:52AM (#17659790)
> When FB moderators can impose penalties outside the context of Facebook, like jailing people.

...or seeding the Internet outrage machine by manufacturing a digital lynch mob to harass the person, dox them, harass their employer and friends and family, and utterly destroy their lives? I mean, this happens on Twitter and Tumblr all the time just by itself; actually controlling the platform would make it so much easier!

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by samstave on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @02:47PM (#17655884)
I don't think you're thinking out far enough... Zuck has already shown his cards with political aspirations... so - in ~10 years... yeah - I am imagining a much more dystopian take on FB
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by equalunique on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @12:35AM (#17659714)
Legitimate question downvoted because it is counter to OP's narrative. This is the current state of HN. Sad!
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by casefields on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @02:08PM (#17655531)
That is not why their stock crashed. You’re spreading even more Facebook PR propaganda.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by menaggio on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @04:06PM (#17656610)
It's absolutely why their stock crashed. Fb lowered their guidance for upcoming quarters mostly in expectation of slimmer gross margins. Since the top-line revenue isn't expected to change, the decrease in margins is by definition driven by increased costs. This increase is directly connected to Fb's efforts to (manually) police more content. Zuckerberg even explicitly warns of this occuring in one of last year's earnings calls.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by cm2012 on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @02:22PM (#17655667)
I'm pretty sure that's what analysts are saying. The biggest cause was the drop in earnings and projected earnings due to increasing spend on security. It's not all the moderators but it's all part of the same push.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by jermaustin1 on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:05PM (#17656062)
And on features that have lower potential for monetization, but higher user engagement like stories.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by zjaffee on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:46PM (#17656413)
This is certainly part of why their stock crashed, they explicitly mentioned in guidance that this would hurt their profitability in a major way.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by holowire on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @01:26PM (#17655107)
I'm with you on the analysis.

> There is likely next to nothing they can actually do to stop coordinated exploitation by highly skilled and intelligent state actors.

If they weren't so spineless, the solution is simple, at least in the time leading up to elections. Shut it down. Turn off ads. Disable non-profile pages. Allowing blatant manipulation of the platform deserves a blunt solution. Maybe let people think for themselves for once? Facebook is a convenience, not a necessity.

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by sjroot on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @02:08PM (#17655524)
That makes zero business sense and will never happen. It isn't Facebook's responsibility to teach people how to identify advertisements or posts trying to sway their opinion.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by holowire on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:41PM (#17656383)
I don't disagree, and it's not facebook's responsibility to teach people how to identify manipulative content, but that viewpoint is too narrow. People blindly trust facebook because it is positioned as a safe place on the internet. Users let their guard down and don't think about what they are seeing critically enough to not let themselves be manipulated. And that's exactly what facebook wants from an advertising revenue perspective. It is in their gross negligence of responsibility in keeping user data safe and out of the hands of bad actors that their complicity lies. If facebook wants to assume ownership over our data, then they are responsible for it, and by extension what others do with it.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by rhizome on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @12:13AM (#17659595)
That makes zero business sense and will never happen

Depends on the business model, doesn't it?

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @01:28PM (#17655123)
And blame it on an unidentified boogeyman / "bad actor" in the same breath as the Russian internet trolls.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by techbio on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:13PM (#17656126)
FcBk's PR spin is based on a) the very real political influence it has and b) the current appetite for international cyber security theater.

It takes a sense of the magnitude of the potential threats to understand that banning 8 pages does not make for security, it makes the case for exploiting the signals detected by your antenna.