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Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by gaius on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:49PM (#17647392)
I don't understand the knee-jerk opposition people have to serverless architectures

It’s the name. It infuriates people because obviously there still really are servers. But I think of it like WiFi - there still are wires, you just don’t see them.

Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by mmt on Monday July 30, 2018 @04:22PM (#17647650)
I've read this analogy before, but it's weak enough to be inapplicable.

With wireless networking and even phones, the wires have actually been eliminated, replaced wholesale by something else, radio. A better analogy would be something like the powerline ethernet systems, but nobody is calling them something controversial like "wireless" or "cableless".

Put another way, I've seen cloud computing (of which "serverless" is, arguably, merely an evolution into increasing levels of abstraction) called "somebody else's servers". The equivalent with the Wifi analogy would be "somebody else's wires", and, usually, what wires there are, for the backhaul [1], aren't even somebody else's.

EDIT:

Ultimately, my point is this:

The analogy is weak becasue WiFi is not an abstraction layer on top of wired networking that merely hides the existence of (and, ideally, some of the downsides of dealing with) the wires, instead being a different technology with different upsides and downsides. Serverless is such an abstraction layer.

[1] Which brings up a nitpick: Wifi can remain even wireless in its entirety, with various mesh networking techniques.

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Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by laumars on Monday July 30, 2018 @05:13PM (#17648096)
I've wired data centres so I'm aware wires exist. However wires are not WiFi. The WiFi in your example ends at the base station. Everything thereafter is still infrastructure but it's not WiFi.
Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by laumars on Monday July 30, 2018 @03:56PM (#17647462)
Except there literally isn't any wires in WiFi. Unless you're talking about power cables on access points or other unrelated tech used on devices that have ethernet / whatever AS WELL AS WiFi?
Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by pvg on Monday July 30, 2018 @04:26PM (#17647696)
All-caps italics is an interesting choice. Is that both emphasized AND shouted?
Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by laumars on Monday July 30, 2018 @07:26PM (#17649146)
Haha yeah on reflection it does look a bit silly. I was intending for it just to stand out against the camelcase of "WiFi" but the caps was a poor choice in hindsight.
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Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by laumars on Monday July 30, 2018 @04:58PM (#17647967)
> Except there literally isn't any wires in WiFi.

> You think WiFi connects your laptop directly to the server in the datacentre? Interesting.

The way you've selectively quoted one sentence out of what is a very short post anyway just so you can imply that I'm oblivious to other infrastructure - even when my very next sentence describes other infrastructure - is in very poor taste.

Plus you're still failed to prove point. Yes ethernet over cat5e/6 cables and fibre exist, but they're not WiFi. Neither is 4G, Bluetooth, nor FM radio despite actually being wireless (unlike cat6 / fibre).

What you're arguing is beyond nonsensical; it's like saying "I drive to the railway station every morning therefore the train I then catch is also classified as a car."

The daft thing is if you'd talked about the wireless radio's antenna then you might have had a genuine point. Yet you went the "network cables are WiFi as well" argument instead. Go figure.

Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by gaius on Monday July 30, 2018 @05:13PM (#17648093)
is in very poor taste.

I believe my analogy to be a sound one, in that all wireless does is insulate the end user from mile upon mile of wiring, just as serverless insulated the user from racks upon racks of servers, and that you were - and are - being needlessly pedantic.

Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by laumars on Monday July 30, 2018 @05:20PM (#17648144)
I don't think it's being pedantic if your analogy is based on a basic premise that is fundamentally untrue. I get there is no such thing as a perfect analogy but I'd at least expect the subject to be factually acuate even if the comparison is subjective.
Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by dang on Monday July 30, 2018 @06:01PM (#17648530)
Would both of you please stop this ridiculous spat.
Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by laumars on Monday July 30, 2018 @07:03PM (#17648993)
What spat? This is the first time I've chatted to the guy and I harbor no ill will towards him.

Isn't the point of HN that you can have a discussion when you disagree with someone?

Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by dang on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @01:15AM (#17650705)
The point of HN is that you can have a civil, substantive discussion.

I called it a spat because you both got personal. It's nice that you both enjoyed it, but it's still against the rules here. It sets a bad example for others, who unfortunately aren't so convivial.

Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by laumars on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @01:46AM (#17650817)
Condescending perhaps, but there was no personal attacks and certainly none any worse nor less substantive than your terse reply (which, it's worth mentioning, was also after the discussion had already reached its natural conclusion).
Re:Serverless, Inc. lands $10M Series A to build serverless ... by gaius on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @12:16AM (#17650498)
Likewise :-)