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Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by baxtr on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:39AM (#17529297)
67% of all humans carry HSV-1. I don’t think there is much prevention you could do

http://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/herpes-simpl...

Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by sametmax on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:01AM (#17529341)
What we can do is realize that HSV-1 is not the problem.

The fact that some individuals' immune system let it through hint that there is a more important causal issue somewhere.

Herpes may be a simple symptom, not a disease.

And maybe it's a symptom of a condition that is similar to the one that let Alzheimer’s set in.

Who knows, maybe Alzheimer's is a symptom too of a more deep, complex and subtitle disorder.

Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by StavrosK on Saturday July 14, 2018 @06:02AM (#17529651)
This made me realize that future humans will view our understanding of Alzheimer's the way we view people's understanding of AIDS in the 60s. "You mean they were getting Alzheimer's left and right, and they hadn't noticed it was caused/transmitted by X?!"

Assuming there's some preventable cause or vector, anyway.

Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by jacobolus on Saturday July 14, 2018 @07:41AM (#17529918)
Nitpick: AIDS wasn’t really noticed at all in the US until the beginning of the 1980s, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_HIV/AIDS
Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by ams6110 on Saturday July 14, 2018 @09:31AM (#17530265)
Prior to the late 1970s / early 1980s, the stigma associated with homosexuality was much stronger. Being gay, and having multiple sex partners, was something that most gay men would probably not admit to. In many areas it would be admitting to a crime. So in the case histories of early AIDS sufferers, that commonality may not have been clear.
Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by chiefalchemist on Saturday July 14, 2018 @07:02AM (#17529807)
It might be a long time before we know. The fact is the body / brain is exposed to a lot of chemicals and compounds that have __never__ been verified for safety - either alone or when combined with others.

At this point there are simple too many of these and the combinations even larger.

_If__ such things contribute to anything, we'll likely never know.

Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by baxtr on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:23PM (#17531579)
Interesting thought. Btw: there are people who believe this the same with HIV. Pleas note: I’m not endorsing their thoughts in any way, just want to point out the similarity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duesberg_hypothesis

Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by stevenwoo on Saturday July 14, 2018 @11:19PM (#17533634)
The article mentions that one of the viruses which seems correlated with Alzheimer's from multiple studies is HHV–6A and 99% of people carry that one, but for unknown reasons the viral infection is much more active in people with Alzheimer's symptoms, though the number of ApoE genes is correlated with risk of active viral infection/Alzheimer's per individual.
Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by jseliger on Saturday July 14, 2018 @09:36AM (#17530287)
67% of all humans carry HSV-1. I don’t think there is much prevention you could do

Actually, there's quite a lot we can do, and relatively cheaply, too: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-we-still-dont-hav... :

However, Clark said a phase III trial would have cost $150 million and taken three years. In the end, the company’s board and investors were “unwilling to take on the investment.”

"We" are just choosing not to do it.

Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by chasil on Saturday July 14, 2018 @11:19AM (#17530652)
I had read years ago that all the herpes viruses emit RNA strands into the nucleus upon initial infection and conversion of the cell into a "provirus."

This RNA serves to keep the virus latent and quiet, perhaps for years. Only when this suppressive RNA is washed out of the nucleus does replication begin.

The idea was to remove all of this RNA everywhere in a controlled manner while administering acyclovir or another antiviral. I don't know what inaccessible resovoirs remain for the herpes family. The brain would be particularly hard to reach.

Such a treatment might also trigger shingles, mono, and ks all at once if it was too widely targeted or if the antiviral wasn't strong enough.

Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by yakshaving_jgt on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:21PM (#17531566)
It's pretty crazy that Chip Clark would even suggest anyone should spend $150mm on GEN-003 — a subunit vaccine (which the late Prof. Halford explained is unlikely to move the needle on HSV treatment due to lack of antigenic breadth) — instead of spending $20mm on AuRx — a live-attenuated (IIRC) vaccine which has proven more effective than GEN-003 in Phase II trials.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262422871_Antigenic...

Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by jopsen on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:51AM (#17529322)
Well, we could work on a cure and vaccine for HSV-1. Whether or not it mitigates Alzheimer's I sure would pay a lot of money to not deal with cold sores every winter.
Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by yakshaving_jgt on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:32AM (#17529411)
There already is an effective therapeutic vaccine. There has been for years. The problem is, it's only done a phase II clinic trial. They need USD$20mm to move through the third phase, and onto mass production. The company is called AuRx. If anyone has twenty million in their pocket, please end herpes for all.

Peter Thiel's investment firm threw USD$7mm at Rational Vaccines last year, but unfortunately as far as I'm aware they are mired in a legal battle since their first human "clinical trial" was performed outside the supervision of the regulators. Rational Vaccines (Prof. William Halford) developed Theravax, a live-attenuated vaccine. It operates on the same principle as the vaccine developed by AuRx, but IIRC, not quite as safely and effectively.

Aside from this, our only (as far as I'm aware) hopes are CRISPR efforts from either Editas or Excision Bio, or an antiviral developed by NanoViricides.

Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by echelon on Saturday July 14, 2018 @12:10PM (#17530869)
Have they thought about crowd funding a raise? I'd contribute. Surely they can do something outside of institutional investing.
Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by yakshaving_jgt on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:11PM (#17531514)
Yeah, there have been many attempts at crowdfunding this stuff. As it turns out, nobody cares that much.

You'd think all the celebrities who buy $100mm mansions could do something about it (since statistically they probably all have it), but no.

If we're lucky, Thiel's investment will turn good. I'm sure his associates aren't morons and they didn't invest in a dud. Last I heard, Rational Vaccines are ramping up to proper human clinic trials within FDA regulations. We just need to wait.

Excision Bio should be running human clinical trials either next year or the following, and our collective understanding of CRISPR is expanding rapidly. So that's something to be excited about. Not that this makes waiting any less painful for sufferers.

Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by delbel on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:03PM (#17531799)
wait, hold on. there's an effective drug that cures HHV-1 and alot of other things include the cryptoplasma cat parasite virus, and Herpies 2. There's no toxic limit (people take 4g twice a day with no side effect, way over what is needed to kill it) and it works within 48-72 hours. We don't need a vaccine. It could be sold over the counter. There are two groups that have separate method of actions, so if it fails there's another one.
Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by yakshaving_jgt on Monday July 16, 2018 @04:08AM (#17539560)
This is categorically false.

There is no cure for HSV.

The current state of care is periodic retroactive therapy in the case of an outbreak, or continuous prophylaxis which isn't completely effective due to lack of bioavailability.

People still get outbreaks during prophylaxis, and people still shed the virus when symptoms aren't present.

Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by delbel on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @12:41AM (#17547387)
if your a doctor I'll send you the name of the drugs. They came out in 2015 and are about $80 each a pill, but you can buy them in India for $.34 each.
Re:Link Between Alzheimer’s and Herpes by yakshaving_jgt on Thursday July 19, 2018 @02:56PM (#17569297)
I am not a doctor, just a relatively informed individual.

I believe the drug you are talking about is Pritelivir/Amenamevir, currently marketed in Japan under the name Amenalief.

Am I correct? If so, I was not aware they are available in India for such a low price.