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Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by wolfgke on Friday July 13, 2018 @11:11AM (#17523584)
> This seems really suboptimal and the OP's comments on power imbalances seem on target.

There is an easy solution: Tell all your friends that they should avoid companies that have such a policy in their terms of service and create a public blacklist of such companies including an explanation what policy in their terms of service justifies putting the company on this blacklist.

Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by lotsofpulp on Friday July 13, 2018 @11:22AM (#17523678)
The existence of a power imbalance indicates you can't really do without the other party. The big companies have amazing economies of scale, and consumers (on their good side) can benefit greatly from them. There's a handful of airlines, two mobile networks, one ISP for most people, etc.

edit: Also, in my experience running businesses, the 10% of the customers cause 90% of the problems, so eliminating them results in much greater profits and cost savings. And if the problem customer is not high value, then there isn't much incentive in dealing with them.

Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by apk17 on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:29PM (#17524361)
I.e the 10% are not worthy of having an ISP, or health insurance.

As for the ISPs, this often isn't even about the customers being annoying, but simply their subscriber line being rotten or in an undocumented state which to sort out is too complicated for the tech-drones.

Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by Bahamut on Friday July 13, 2018 @11:15AM (#17523619)
Good luck convincing people they shouldn't use anything by Google.
Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by wolfgke on Friday July 13, 2018 @11:20AM (#17523656)
But you can look at the individual services and tell them what alternatives there exist and what "dubious" terms of service these companies avoid.

It is not an all-or-nothing, but an "avoid, except for these two exotic use cases, for which there currently exists no alternative (and as soon as there exists one, drop also these)".

Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by Bahamut on Friday July 13, 2018 @11:25AM (#17523696)
Sure, and that probably will hurt such bad actors to some degree, but alternatives also come with downsides too - no product is perfect out there, and people often have different priorities.

Not to say I applaud Google's strategy - I think it is horrific.

Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by imhoguy on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:57PM (#17525159)
At least they should utilize it with private domain plus run frequent backups of gmail and gdrive stuff. One never knows when one may get unplugged.
Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by GVIrish on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:03PM (#17524672)
Stories like this are why I avoid relying on the sharing economy when I really need something. If I'm going on a trip with my kids in tow, I don't want to be at the mercy of AirBNB where someone can flippantly screw me over with little recourse. If I want to rent a car on vacation I might try to reserve a car through Turo but I'll reserve through a traditional car rental company just to be safe.

I know I can have a bad experience with a traditional company but I also know they're not just gonna close my account and persona non grata me with no appeal. It's kinda sad that these sharing economy businesses are even more heartless than the incumbents in some ways.

Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by StudentStuff on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:28AM (#17529126)
Note that the "sharing" economy is an outright lie. Its piecework wrapped in what AirBnB, Uber & Turo hope is a more palatable verbiage. Sharing is when someone shares something with you, generally without recompense. None of these companies sell anything like that!
Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by GVIrish on Saturday July 14, 2018 @12:05PM (#17530851)
Very good point.
Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by jfktrey on Friday July 13, 2018 @11:25AM (#17523694)
Consumers generally don’t care about these terms until it affects them personally. Additionally, in the author’s case, I can’t name one alternative to the type of service provided by AirBnB. Maybe I’m out of the loop.
Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by aeorgnoieang on Friday July 13, 2018 @11:46AM (#17523917)
> I can’t name one alternative to the type of service provided by AirBnB

What exactly is it that AirBnB provides that hotels don't? I like staying at AirBnBs, but there are lots of alternatives depending on exactly what components of the services they provide you require.

Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by Kliment on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:42PM (#17524470)
Places to stay in small towns where there is at most one hotel that might be inconvenient or full or nonexistent. Places to stay where you can actually use a kitchen (great in areas with weak food availability or for people with allergies). Not having to argue with hotel night staff about whether you can pay by card. And in general way better service (from hosts).
Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by pnutjam on Friday July 13, 2018 @02:19PM (#17525368)
Yeah, I've used priceline to stay in Michigan, mostly. I've never had trouble with declining to put a cc on file at the hotel. Drove out to Connecticut and their policy was hard, of course I didn't have cc funds available and I had a carload of kids that had been traveling all day. One of the guys there, a bellhop I think, put the charge on his card and trusted me not to screw him. One of the nicest things a stranger has ever done for me.
Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by lotsofpulp on Friday July 13, 2018 @06:30PM (#17527426)
Hotels require credit cards because without them you get far too many problem guests (drug dealers, partiers, pimps, hookers). Based on my experiences, I wouldn't want to stay in a hotel that didn't require credit cards.
Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by Kliment on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:02AM (#17529343)
Sorry there seems to be some confusion here. I was complaining that a hotel would not let me pay by card (because they were not declaring the income presumably). "Our machine is broken, we only take cash etc". I escalated it up the chain and the machine miraculously unbroke in that case but it's not the first time I have this kind of experience in a hotel.
Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by wolfgke on Saturday July 14, 2018 @09:52AM (#17530350)
> "Our machine is broken, we only take cash etc"

If you care about privacy, this is not a bug, but a feature.

Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by Kliment on Saturday July 14, 2018 @12:17PM (#17530903)
Yeah sure and I love having the option but I absolutely hate being lied to.
Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by toomuchtodo on Friday July 13, 2018 @11:27AM (#17523718)
Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by kangnkodos on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:07PM (#17524137)
I've used VRBO and HomeAway before Airbnb existed, and I always had excellent experiences.

After my recent bad experience with Airbnb and reading this story, I'm going to give them another look.

Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by thomasz on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:30PM (#17524921)
Ouside of truly exceptional circumstances, consumer boycotts just do not work. Tragedy of the commons and all that. If you want to see change, something you need to demand regulation.
Re:Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnB by s73v3r_ on Friday July 13, 2018 @02:16PM (#17525345)
Being treated with dignity by companies should not depend on how many friends I have.