https://www.slideshare.net/insideHPC/european-processor-init...
I imagine China and India will eventually go with RISC-V, too. Maybe Nvidia will have "another go" at designing its own CPU microarchitecture, too, if they get tired of Arm's shenanigans. Nvidia has already chosen RISC-V for its GPU microcontroller.
Yet here we are.
Once you have a decent base and sufficient interest, peoples incremental changes will get there eventually.
The size of a viable increment in a software project is much smaller than it is in a hardware project. Developing a functional, non-trivial microarchitecture requires significant capital expenditure and coordination of efforts. This requires at least a patron of some sorts to manage the process, where the requirements for that patron are much more significant than "somebody with a listserv".
Once those players front the money for the ecosystem the incentive to coordinate is there on the fab side. With that in place and good simulation possible, the size of an incremental change is an exercise in release management.
You don't get high volume processor core into silicon by just hacking Verilog/VHDL in your computer and then send it to the foundry for tape-out and manufacturing like you do with some custom ASIC chip.
Intel and AMD start new microarchitecture design work every 2-3 years. The work must progress in tight time schedule or it becomes outdated. It's highly coordinated effort that requires significant capital investment.
You have to lock in goals, select implementation technology, methodology, have expensive tools etc. Behavioral design, physical design and silicon ramp interact constantly. Problems are solved and there are many optimization and validation phases. You need expensive hardware and access to engineers in the foundry and process you are targeting.
I'm sure there will be many completely open RISC-V cores, but not for the high volume uses or latest processes.
Intel and AMD start new microarchitecture design work every 2-3 years because (Intel, at least) base their sales on offering the latest and greatest. They seek peak performance, which is exactly what gamers/scientists/prosumers want.
But for large swaths of the market, you don't need that. Think of your average consumer/small business owner. By and large, most of them are using 3-5 year old PCs, and even then the processors within those 3-5 year old PCs were probably last-gen when they were purchased.
Or think military -- the ability to have a home-grown, openly-vetted processor that you can tape out with a trusted domestic supplier would eliminate a number of security concerns.
Don't let great be the enemy of good here. If you can build a decent RISC-V core that can compete with an Intel Core 2 Duo, you've got all the horsepower you need for the average consumer.
> Think of your average consumer/small business owner.
Optimizing processor for low-cost price is also very demanding.
caveat of course: the L1/L2 cache power consumption isn't included in that figure, but, crucially, with the Compressed Instructions reducing cache misses by 20-25% that's equivalent to having approximately double the I-cache size.
basically by a fresh start they're on to a winner.
With hardware, someone, at some point, is going to have to pay to press those chips into real silicon.
And if open source processors feature the same attention to detail and high engineering standards that most open source software projects evidence, they’ll frequently catch on fire or stop working without multiple bug fix patches.
I'm saying that much linux development nowadays is done far away from actual deployment, just like open source cpu design would be.
Also, it's often paid and driven by companies who have an interest in the existence in these open platforms, so it's not all just based on generosity (and we do see companies are interested in RISC-V cpus).
You don't have to spend $300-$500 to get to a reasonable performance. There are multiple people who are interested in this.
The EU and India have processor initiatives (including high perf) that will use RISC-V. Many universities, non-profits, companies will continue to work on the current open-source chips and combined with open source.
Of course it will take time but blanked 'You won't see high performance open source micro-architectures' is just an assumption.
Processor initiative in EU and India have are providing R&D money for basic research and competence building for local companies. They will be customers, not manufacturers.
There are startups like Esperanto and many university groups and open source who are all interested.
Of course you still need to find costumers for a mass tapeout, but once the whole linux tool-chain is running there are lots of potential applications and costumers.
India's Shakti Core is a 6-stage pipeline that runs at 2.5ghz in 20nm and uses only 120mW. Their roadmap includes VLSI variants which will piss all over ARM and Intel, which is funny because the India Goverment has given them unlimited resources and backing to do exactly that.
All entirely libre-licensed... starting here: https://bitbucket.org/casl/
You won't see high performance open source micrarchitectures that implements RISC-V core.
Nobody is going to invest $300-$500M to develop new competitive open source microarchitecture (patent free?) every 5-10 years for RISC-V that can compete with Intel, AMD and others.