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Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by yulaow on Sunday July 08, 2018 @06:09PM (#17486526)
Partially related, I had the same problem with the landlord and just changed the door lock keeping also the old one in a box. So until I live here I am the only one with the key, when I transfer I change back the door lock and the landlord is again the only one with the key.

In my state the Landlord can do nothing against this exactly because it is illegal for him to enter without my permission so it is also not necessary (and a forced request is illegal) to give a copy of the key of the new door lock to the Landlord.

Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by nextos on Sunday July 08, 2018 @06:44PM (#17486684)
Sadly most UK contracts include a clause where they explicitly ban you from changing locks without providing them with a key. If they discover you have changed locks, you will get evicted immediately.

It's pretty sad. In my home country, it's a very serious crime if your landlord breaks into your house for no reason. Actually, landlords generally do not keep a key to the property during tenancies precisely because of this.

Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by rahimnathwani on Sunday July 08, 2018 @10:03PM (#17487466)
I don't believe your experience is typical. I've signed dozens of rental agreements in the UK, mostly as a landlord but also as a tenant, and the agreements have been drafted by several different agents.

Not one of these had included a clause about changing locks.

And also the part about "you will get evicted immediately" is nonsense. The process to evict a tenant takes time: the landlord need to serve notice, then wait X days for a response, then apply to the court, who will then (assuming the landlord has followed the law to the letter) issue an judgement, and then the landlord still cannot have you forcibly removed until some period has passed and they have applied to the court for an enforcement order.

If you have had the experience you describe with more than one landlord in the UK, I'd suggest you look through a different agent next time.

Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by nextos on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @06:03PM (#17502604)
I disagree. I have been renting in Oxbridge with the grand total of 7 different high street agents: Savills, Bidwells, Cheffins, Parkers, Alistair Redhouse and another I can't remember. They all included this clause. Only Savills and Alistair Redhouse were professional and caused no problems. Savills was actually a pleasure to deal with, but extremely expensive in terms of fees. The fees were clear from the beginning, though.

The others are, as far as I am concerned total scammers. I won 3/3 cases in the Ombudsman, so I say this for a reason. Cheffins went as far as taking all my deposit to cover some debt the landlord had with them. And of course they didn't tell me. Simply no reply, no deposit. Even the Property Ombudsman freaked out.

Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by rahimnathwani on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:13PM (#17503931)
Wow. This is shocking.

I've only once rented a flat in Oxford. It was over 10 years ago, so I don't recall the details, but I do recall having to argue with the letting agent about changing some wording which was totally unreasonable.

Perhaps the situation is different in university towns, where lettings agents often dealing with naive tenants who have never signed a lease before.

Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by Accacin on Monday July 09, 2018 @05:29AM (#17488993)
I've rented for about seven years and never seen a clause like this. Advice is to change locks when you move in and put them back when you leave.

The landlord can't evict you because of this, and the only reason they'd know you've changed the locks because they've tried to enter the house when you're not there.

Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by segmondy on Monday July 09, 2018 @07:59AM (#17489572)
Well, change the entire door. I bet it doesn't have anything against changing the door.
Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by mehrdadn on Sunday July 08, 2018 @06:51PM (#17486721)
> I had the same problem with the landlord and just changed the door lock keeping also the old one in a box.

Don't landlords need to be able to enter their property during an emergency?

Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by im3w1l on Sunday July 08, 2018 @07:36PM (#17486917)
No. If there's an emergency they can call 911.
Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by brewdad on Sunday July 08, 2018 @07:39PM (#17486937)
Expect a bill for a new door.
Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by mehrdadn on Sunday July 08, 2018 @11:13PM (#17487725)
And they have to just sit there idling and watch their house burn up/flood/etc. until 911 finally comes around?
Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by syrrim on Monday July 09, 2018 @01:38AM (#17488197)
They should get insurance. It is very silly to suggest that they will act as a one man fire department.
Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by Omniusaspirer on Monday July 09, 2018 @02:47AM (#17488398)
Tell that to a relative of mine who had a tenant fall asleep drunk smoking in bed. Matress caught fire, smoke alarms went off, and she was able to rush in and get the passed out tenant off the matress then carry it outside. The fire department scolded her when they arrived 10 minutes later, but she undoubtedly kept the house and all the tenants belongings from going up in flames.
Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by mehrdadn on Monday July 09, 2018 @05:51AM (#17489086)
> They should get insurance.

They should probably also get Bay Area software engineer salary, but alas...

> It is very silly to suggest that they will act as a one man fire department.

No, it is not silly to suggest people who aren't 911 responders might be able to put out smaller fires... that's why homes have fire extinguishers nearby. (I hope yours is not an exception.)

Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by izacus on Monday July 09, 2018 @01:35AM (#17488184)
Pretty much yes. The same thing they are supposed to do when any other apartment they don't live in floods.
Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by mehrdadn on Monday July 09, 2018 @06:01AM (#17489123)
You say this with the full understanding that this isn't a $200 laptop we're talking about that's at stake, correct? That that home can easily represent a decade or more's worth of work and salary for that landlord? You're demanding that they must just stand idly by and watch what is effectively years of their life go up in flames in front of their eyes while being prohibited from doing anything that could save themselves and everyone else a lot of grief, just because you demand it must be this way?
Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by izacus on Monday July 09, 2018 @07:26AM (#17489436)
Yes, I say this with full understanding of the financials. But also with full understanding that a rented apartment is someones home and a stranger can't just barge into it at will. And the landlord is a stranger, just like any other person in the city or a street. If the tenant gives him the keys (like he would any other person/neighbour) it's fine, but for all other purposes he has no business walking into someone elses home.

(I know laws around that differ, but for example here in my little EU country the landlord cannot enter the rented appartment without explicit consent given ahead of the visit.)

Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by mehrdadn on Monday July 09, 2018 @07:38AM (#17489481)
> A rented apartment is someones home and a stranger can't just barge into it at will. And the landlord is a stranger, just like any other person in the city or a street. If the tenant gives him the keys (like he would any other person/neighbour) it's fine, but for all other purposes he has no business walking into someone elses home.

"Just barge into it at will"? In what world do emergencies inside the tenant's home conveniently pop up at the landlord's mere will?! And in what world is running into a house that you own to mitigate an emergency equivalent to "just barging into" some random building you never had and never will have any rights to?

If you believe the landlord fundamentally doesn't have the right to do this because the tenant's right trumps it no matter what, that's one thing, and it's something I can at least somewhat understand and debate legitimately regardless of my agreement or disagreement with it. But to just go ahead and completely and outrightly deny the existence of even a shred of nuance on the topic when there is such a clear night-and-day difference between your landlord coming in to mitigate an emergency in his own property and any random dude off the street just barging into your house at will is just... too wild to be honest. It's not something that can be taken seriously... all it does is completely sucks away any energy others might have to hear you out.

Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by soperj on Sunday July 08, 2018 @11:55PM (#17487887)
uhhh what were they going to do? Unlock the door and stop the flood?
Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by mehrdadn on Monday July 09, 2018 @12:04AM (#17487910)
> uhhh what were they going to do? Unlock the door and stop the flood?

"When your bathroom has flooded, the most important thing to do is to shut of your water as soon as possible. If you don’t know how to do it, it’s good to call a plumber and hopefully they can help you shut it off over the phone before they get to your house to assess damage. If the leak is coming from a toilet or sink, there is usually a knob near the pipes that you can turn to the right and shut off. You will also need to shut off the electricity of the flooded rooms with the main breaker. If you see sparks or smell gas vacate your house and call the fire department, only going back in until they tell you it is safe." https://texashomeandgarden.com/idea-center/bathroom/bathroom...

Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by Markoff on Monday July 09, 2018 @03:05AM (#17488453)
there is usually central knob outside apartment for whole building exactly for these cases, you can shutdown water or gas in while building for outside for this reason
Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by brewdad on Sunday July 08, 2018 @07:38PM (#17486933)
Yes, landlords are limited in the reasons they may enter and renters do have rights but at the end of the day the landlord still owns the property. A tenant changing the locks has to be illegal under any sane jurisdiction.
Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by yulaow on Monday July 09, 2018 @12:58PM (#17491651)
Actually in my country the law "soft" encourage you to change the lock as soon as you get the rent contract.

The reason is simple: if someone breaks inside opening the door (maybe even just because they were good lock-pickers) the police has to investigate firstly on whoever has the key or could give a copy of them to others, so if the landlord can it is gonna be some rough months to him while they have to check if he sold/gave a copy of your key to anyone with bad intentions.

Some landlords even ask you to change it yourself asap (like my last one)

Re:My favorite apps on F-Droid by tpush on Sunday July 08, 2018 @08:34PM (#17487140)
> A tenant changing the locks has to be illegal under any sane jurisdiction.

Changing the locks as a tenant is completely legal in Germany for example.