Re:Show HN: Pesky Adblock – Blocks site access to visitors w...
by cm2012 on Saturday July 07, 2018 @12:30AM
(#17477012)
When you order food at a restaurant, there's no contract either. Just an implicit understanding by the restaurant owner and society that you'll pay at the end.
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Re:Show HN: Pesky Adblock – Blocks site access to visitors w...
by cortesoft on Saturday July 07, 2018 @01:12AM
(#17477141)
No, it is a contract. There are prices on the menu, and you are agreeing to that price when you ask for the item. Not all contracts need to be signed, but they have to be somehow agreed to.
Re:Show HN: Pesky Adblock – Blocks site access to visitors w...
by cm2012 on Saturday July 07, 2018 @01:23AM
(#17477178)
Every website you visit has TOS. Facebook in particular has extremely clear TOS, written in plain English, that everyone consents to. In Europe, most websites explicitly ask for consent now. Doesn't seem very different to me.
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by ubernostrum on Saturday July 07, 2018 @01:48AM
(#17477258)
And all of those sites track you before you've even had a chance to see their terms.
Facebook infamously tracked people who'd never had Facebook accounts (and therefore had never agreed to Facebook's ToS), and now claims not to, but who knows?
Re:Show HN: Pesky Adblock – Blocks site access to visitors w...
by GW150914 on Saturday July 07, 2018 @07:05PM
(#17481160)
They can take my use of ad and script blocking as implicit rejection of the terms of their contract, and they’re free to deny me service. If they don’t, I’m not obliged to do it for them.
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by crtasm on Saturday July 07, 2018 @07:57AM
(#17478123)
As I understand it contracts fall under law, TOS fall under nothing except maybe getting kicked off the platform.
Re:Show HN: Pesky Adblock – Blocks site access to visitors w...
by gsich on Saturday July 07, 2018 @01:31AM
(#17477205)
no need to accept those.
Re:Show HN: Pesky Adblock – Blocks site access to visitors w...
by JackCh on Saturday July 07, 2018 @12:41AM
(#17477043)
When somebody walks out of a restaurant without paying, the restaurant is free to call the cops. I therefore invite all website operators to call 911 when I use an adblocker!
Re:Show HN: Pesky Adblock – Blocks site access to visitors w...
by cm2012 on Saturday July 07, 2018 @12:43AM
(#17477046)
So the only reason you pay at restaurants is to not break the law?
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by JackCh on Saturday July 07, 2018 @12:52AM
(#17477080)
I also pay at restaurants because I want to. I don't watch ads because I don't want to. When I was a kid my family would flip through magazines and violently tear out the ads before bothering to sit down and read the articles. When watching television we would change the channel or mute the audio during commercial breaks on television (I don't even bother to download television shows with the advertisements edited out, because I've found product placement to be rampant.) Without calling for state violence to enforce your will on me, you will never stop me.
You seem to have a very dim view of me because I refuse to willingly subject myself to advertisements. Let me assure you, this feeling is mutual. I look down on people who choose to submit themselves to corporate propaganda. Sometimes when I'm visiting people I see them watch television and they stare at the commercials with rapt attention; it disgusts me.
Re:Show HN: Pesky Adblock – Blocks site access to visitors w...
by axedwool on Saturday July 07, 2018 @01:10AM
(#17477134)
Why else would you?
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by JackCh on Saturday July 07, 2018 @01:20AM
(#17477170)
Appreciation of food service workers in particular, and/or a desire to see local businesses thrive. (Neither of which would ever motivate me to subject myself to advertisements.)
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by axedwool on Saturday July 07, 2018 @04:21PM
(#17480354)
Sure, sensible. In the case of the ad industry, I don't appreciate the people who work there in particular, and I have a desire to see those businesses driven from the face of the Earth.
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by JackCh on Saturday July 07, 2018 @07:01PM
(#17481143)
You and I are on the same page here.
Re:Show HN: Pesky Adblock – Blocks site access to visitors w...
by monochromatic on Saturday July 07, 2018 @12:47AM
(#17477060)
There’s probably an implied contract there.