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Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by hugh3 on Thursday September 30, 2010 @07:08PM (#1745244)
Not a bad idea. But why does it say "selected items"?

I haven't added the numbers up myself, but one of the comments says that the listed things add up to only sixty-something percent of the total. Where's the other money gone? One might almost think they're trying to make a political point with their careful selection of items (eg. "Combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan" somehow got to fifth place on the list while "bailouts" and "stimulus" are entirely missing despite this being 2009).

Anyway, I certainly wouldn't trust the government to give me a receipt which said "selected items" -- deceptive information is worse than no information.

Also, since the US federal expenditure is currently about 25% larger than tax receipts, how is this taken into account?

Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by amalcon on Thursday September 30, 2010 @07:57PM (#1745365)
Well, they probably could have done the same job by grouping. If they combined combat operations with military personnel, for example, that would bump it up to third-largest.

Leaving out specific items is an obvious way to work an agenda into it, but manipulating the groupings could do the same thing, and more subtly at that. With a little gerrymandering, the receipt could say pretty much anything.

Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by brown9-2 on Thursday September 30, 2010 @07:15PM (#1745262)
re: "selected items", if you click through to the PDF there is a footnote attached:

>4 Budget calculations are based on budget allocations obtained from the Office of Management and Budget using historical tables from the FY2011 budget submission as well as the Congressional Budget Office website for such items as interest on the debt, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

My guess is that the real cause of "selected items" is that the number of things paid for by your taxes are obviously much larger than could fit on a short list, and has a long tail.

Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by hugh3 on Thursday September 30, 2010 @07:26PM (#1745289)
My guess is that the real cause of "selected items" is that the number of things paid for by your taxes are obviously much larger than could fit on a short list, and has a long tail.

Well, of course that depends how you slice it. Break it down by department and it looks more like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fy2010_spending_by_categor...

The twenty-something listed departments account for 97% of the budget (of course there's other government spending which isn't listed explicitly in the budget, I suppose).

This doesn't, of course, include stuff like "Smithsonian Museum", which are included on this list to make people feel warm and fuzzy about paying their taxes.

Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by VBprogrammer on Thursday September 30, 2010 @08:20PM (#1745427)
If you are ever asked to make a Pie Chart for general distribution please take this as a perfect example of what not to do. This is almost completely unreadable for 6-8% of the male population who suffer from colour-blindness (myself included).
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by wtallis on Thursday September 30, 2010 @10:21PM (#1745729)
I don't think that anybody can reliably match all 31 of those colors, particularly when the context changes from similar shades to white. Especially for the big slices, the name needs to be in the slice, not at the side of the chart. The smaller slices can have the names printed in the callout labels along with the percentages.
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by argv_empty on Thursday September 30, 2010 @11:04PM (#1745821)
Interesting that this pie chart shows Social Security's budget as about five percent more than DoD's while the components of military spending listed on the sample receipt total less than half of the Social Security spending.
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by jimbokun on Thursday September 30, 2010 @09:09PM (#1745566)
This chart shows that the military, entitlements and interest on the debt account for over 80% of the budget. In other words, the things that are pretty much off limits when politicians discuss the budget.
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by eli on Thursday September 30, 2010 @09:21PM (#1745606)
I don't have a citation handy, but there's actually a lot of spending that isn't explicitly in the budget.
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by ssp on Thursday September 30, 2010 @08:55PM (#1745520)
The break-down is certainly important. They could choose to lump all military expenses together, or to break down social security into tiny bits. The results would look very different.
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by stuaxo on Thursday September 30, 2010 @08:57PM (#1745526)
They need to be grouped and have subtotals. (The items on the left, the subtotals on the right).
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by Aetius on Thursday September 30, 2010 @07:30PM (#1745303)
This is, after all, NPR...no surprise the war was prominent as they have a decidedly progressive news team. I won't call NPR liberal, but certainly left of center, and very critical (as they should be) of the wars.
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by kscaldef on Thursday September 30, 2010 @08:03PM (#1745382)
I think the bias in the table actually goes the other way. By breaking down, and omitting parts of, military spending, they make it look relatively minor compared to SS, Medicare, and Medicaid. They have also chosen to display SS intakes, not outflows, which is a $400B difference.
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by projectileboy on Thursday September 30, 2010 @08:26PM (#1745444)
I thought the same thing. It looked as though they completely left out weapons procurement outside the scope of the wars, which seems almost dishonest. But it feels like I'm nitpicking; overall it's definitely a worthwhile effort.
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by hugh3 on Thursday September 30, 2010 @08:16PM (#1745419)
If you look at the pdf from the think tank which came up with it, you'll see that one of their arguments for doing it this way is that "An educated taxpayer is a progressive's best customer", leaving no doubt what their political agenda is.

Somewhat disingenuous from a think tank called the "Third Way", which was originally intended to imply centrism. Still, it's a general law of NPR reporting that a left-wing think tank is called a "think tank" and a right-wing think tank is called a "right-wing think tank".

Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by Poiesis on Thursday September 30, 2010 @08:31PM (#1745463)
Still, it's a general law of NPR reporting that a left-wing think tank is called a "think tank" and a right-wing think tank is called a "right-wing think tank".

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but a quick search suggests you may be mistaken. [site:npr.org "right-wing think tank"] os 8 results; [site:npr.org "think tank"] has about 2380. Nothing funny in robots.txt.

But you never know, maybe there aren't that many transcripts on there or something...

Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by hugh3 on Thursday September 30, 2010 @08:46PM (#1745502)
Or perhaps they rarely quote right-wing think tanks?

Still, a bit more googling:

7 hits for "right-wing think tank" vs 4 hits for "left-wing think tank", so apparently they don't use either term very often.

1200 hits for "liberal think tank" vs 285 for "conservative think tank" vs 447 for "libertarian think tank" (all of which seem to be Cato) vs 6 for "moderate think tank".

3 for "Republican think tank", 345 for "Democratic think tank" and 57 for "non-partisan think tank"

I take your point, though. What you'd really need to do in order to analyze bias would be to check out "think tank" is used without an adjective and figure out what kind of think tanks those are.

Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by yv on Friday October 01, 2010 @09:10AM (#1746889)
These numbers of grossly inaccurate. Go to the last results page of each query to see the real hit count.
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by carbocation on Thursday September 30, 2010 @08:40PM (#1745481)
And 4 results for [site:npr.org "left-wing think tank"]
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by eli on Thursday September 30, 2010 @09:23PM (#1745609)
Do you have any data to back that up?

The empirical evidence shows that, for example, NPR is more likely to interview a conservative economist about a story than a liberal. I think they go out of their way to defer to right-of-center politicians because they are so afraid of the perception that they're liberal.

In short, I think you're wrong.

Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by jbellis on Thursday September 30, 2010 @11:29PM (#1745871)
> The empirical evidence shows that, for example, NPR is more likely to interview a conservative economist about a story than a liberal.

To be meaningful, we'd need to compare the ratio of conservative economists on NPR to conservative economists in the population.

Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by jimbokun on Thursday September 30, 2010 @08:59PM (#1745535)
So only progressives want to know how much we spend in Iraq and Afghanistan? Depressing, if true.
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by pigbucket on Thursday September 30, 2010 @07:58PM (#1745370)
Well, actually it's Thirdway.org, who've been plugging this idea for a few years now, but since it's somewhat progressive too, your point may stand. My sense was that Thirdway was deliberately trying to avoid being overly inflammatory: they don't, for instance, specify the amount of military aid to Colombia to fight the drug war, or the amount to Pakistan to fight terrorists, or to Israel to fight whoever Israel ends up fighting next.
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by hugh3 on Thursday September 30, 2010 @07:36PM (#1745308)
Your comment would have been much better without injecting your own political opinions on the matter via the parenthetical "as they should be".
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by nhebb on Thursday September 30, 2010 @09:02PM (#1745541)
Everyone should be critical of wars. I think there's a knee jerk reaction to label war critics as partisan, but questioning war really should be apolitical. I'm a veteran (go 10th Mountain!) and a Republican, and I'm critical of wars. I don't feel that we have a clear, achievable goal in Afghanistan, and I'm appalled at the complete apathy by the media and America public to the fact that we are at war, both taking and losing lives.
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by Legion on Thursday September 30, 2010 @09:12PM (#1745585)
An important point. Also important: "critical" is not a synonym for "anti-".
Re:Thanks For Paying Taxes. Here's A Receipt. by Aetius on Thursday September 30, 2010 @07:47PM (#1745336)
I'm actually not one of those antiwar protesters that crawls in ditches. I didn't say "they should be against" the wars. I just said they should be critical of it; as a publication-of-record it's their job to critique major national issues.