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Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by axaxs on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:12AM (#17422363)
Let's discuss how we can fix this. I'm actually considering leaving my job of 8 years for a probably to be doomed privacy startup. Either way, I'm interested in solutions and more importantly working towards them, even for free.
Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by mmiller9 on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:18AM (#17422384)
Legislation. We need legal repercussions for people who wantonly mishandle our personal information. Sorry, but the market can’t help us. This kind of shit needs to be illegal yesterday. It’s just impossible because we have a Congress that is so remarkably out of touch that they won’t do anything about it.
Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by zeth___ on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:32AM (#17422432)
How so many people are convinced the market will save them from the marker given the last 300 years oh history is beyond me.
Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by extradego on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:37AM (#17422455)
In America, they simply do not know the last 300 years of history.
Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by krageon on Friday June 29, 2018 @05:13AM (#17423376)
Practically everyone knows about the second world war, but nothing is being done about rising fascism. It has nothing to do with not knowing, it's just stupidity.
Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by zeth___ on Saturday June 30, 2018 @06:28PM (#17433072)
And how many know about the Ludlow Massacre?

There is no rising fascism in America, if people really knew anything about the Wiemar Republic, Republican Spain, or March on Rome they would know that the left always loses when it tried to be humane and gain power. The only time the left gains power is when 'tankies' are the ones leading the resistance.

Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by extradego on Saturday July 14, 2018 @03:02PM (#17531793)
I do not comprehend the actual point you intend to make.

But, remember the left chooses the hard road, not because they can but because it is moral.

Regardless, Trump is absolutely a fascist. It seems a bit futile to disagree.

Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by pbhjpbhj on Friday June 29, 2018 @06:11AM (#17423587)
What do you suppose can be done about it?
Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by krageon on Friday June 29, 2018 @06:49AM (#17423714)
If you need a good example, look at Germany. They have very strict laws about it and while there are still fascists there (as there are everywhere), they do not run the country.

Edit: On a more practical note, it's always baffled me how normalised it is. People who defend fascists in the US media are still respected and hired. They might be prominent political figures. Somehow calling attention to someone who is fascist is confused by anyone doing something as simple as saying "liberals are evil!", as if the two party system there has anything to do with racial supremacy. As an outsider, you look at it and think "This is the country that helped liberate Europe from the Nazis. How are they not ashamed?". Maybe I think the first step is allowing shame to enter into things when you think about your nation, instead of a quasi-religious patriotism.

Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by raarts on Friday June 29, 2018 @07:55AM (#17423948)
Uhmm, actually Congress is very much in touch...

With corporate interests.

Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by extradego on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:35AM (#17422448)
Government funded elections might solve most of our society’s spiraling issues but we can’t have any clue what the value would be until we try it.

And of course we can’t make honest claims to democracy until then either.

Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by ATsch on Friday June 29, 2018 @08:02AM (#17423969)
As an uninformed observer, one of the biggest issues I see is the US two party system. Do you think government funding would help with that? I've always seen it more as a weakness of the general US electoral FPTP system.
Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by joering2 on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:20AM (#17422392)
Congress grilled Equifax and nothing. Average person saw Equifax commercial on “hey be smart we will keep your info safe with alerts” and thought “wow this company cares about my data” when its precisely opposite.

If the congress is unable or doesnt want to draft a bill to stop predators from milking money off of your data, then that money probably ends up in their pocket some way. Or at least some of it.

Please dont quit your job for the sake of your security - food, shelter, etc. Move these assholes out with next election. Vote in young people that are probably as angry about this shit as you are, in hope they won’t sell out their soul.

Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by axaxs on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:24AM (#17422408)
In my ideal mind, I'd keep my job, it's pretty lax as long as I deliver. But I want to fix privacy. I'm working with a guy I respect, who is also all about privacy, but I just don't think his model works. Ideally I'll donate some dev time for free, but if I saw even a glimmer of hope, I'd go all in. We can't trust congress, we need a private sector movement. I'm offering my services for free to anyone in the space, generally speaking.
Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by malio on Friday June 29, 2018 @02:30AM (#17422800)
> We need a private sector movement.

You should reach out to a venture called Equifax. They are providing customer alerts for data breaches and a premiere data protection service.

Your imagination is working against you here. The obvious and well-known reason that congress is ineffective is they work for the private sector, who is the disease; not the cure.

Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by greglindahl on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:28AM (#17422418)
Do you have any data to support your claim about what the average person thought about Equifax and Congress? I have a lot of strong opinions about privacy, but I'm also resigned to the fact that most people don't care about it as much as I do. So I don't guess what they're thinking.
Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by jsjohnst on Friday June 29, 2018 @01:12AM (#17422549)
> Do you have any data to support your claim about what the average person thought about Equifax

Here you go, first result in Google:

https://morningconsult.com/2018/01/16/months-after-data-brea...

Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by greglindahl on Friday June 29, 2018 @01:27AM (#17422595)
The claim was:

> Average person saw Equifax commercial on “hey be smart we will keep your info safe with alerts” and thought “wow this company cares about my data” when its precisely opposite.

The result you cite is a general consumer favorability rating for Equifax, which is different than this particular claim. People who didn't hear anything about Equifax and Congress are included in the general consumer poll. I'm not trying to nitpick, I'm just pointing at a lack of data for this particular claim.

Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by paulie_a on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:20AM (#17422393)
Figure out a way to make the data collected useless. You can't hide and block every attempt to track, collect and generally have your privacy invaded. But it may be possible to throw a wrench in the gears by making so much noise the data is low quality.
Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by dredmorbius on Friday June 29, 2018 @01:50AM (#17422664)
Or increasing costs of holding, exchanging, or using it.
Re:Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database wi... by malio on Friday June 29, 2018 @02:16AM (#17422743)
That is what would be needed in the United States of Anarchy, but everyone is so busy trying to pull off their own scandle that I don’t think this could be done at an effective scale.