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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by makerofspoons on Thursday June 14, 2018 @10:15AM (#17311811)
I went to school at the University of Colorado Boulder. Something this article doesn't mention is that the city already has over 100 miles of fiber laid that isn't currently being lit up: http://www.govtech.com/dc/articles/Boulder-Colo-To-Light-Up-.... There were several groups of students looking to build companies to utilize this existing infrastructure, as well as business interests outside the city, but it just never went anywhere. I hope that it will see use soon, I was very envious of my friends that would commute in from nearby Longmont that could use their awesome municipal ISP.
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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by amorphid on Thursday June 14, 2018 @12:56PM (#17313112)
In Australia, fiber-to-the-home vs. fiber-to-the-node has been a fairly political issue about which I knew very little, so I looked it up. [1] After reading about parent comment and the miles of unused fiber, I wondered what the difference between fiber near my home vs fiber in my home would be, and found some good info. [2]

[1l http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-13/federal-election-nb...

[2] https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/whats-difference-fttc-fttp-car...

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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by gnopgnip on Thursday June 14, 2018 @01:57PM (#17313756)
There is new tech like g.fast that enables gigabit speeds over copper wire like an existing phone line for short distances.
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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by AboutTheWhisles on Thursday June 14, 2018 @08:29PM (#17316529)
"First released in October 2013, and updated several times since, the DOCSIS 3.1 suite of specifications support capacities of up to 10 Gbit/s downstream and 1 Gbit/s upstream"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS

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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by amorphid on Thursday June 14, 2018 @02:16PM (#17313981)
I wonder what speeds would be achievable over the ancient copper wire in my building.
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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by philjohn on Thursday June 14, 2018 @03:35PM (#17314673)
Depends. If it's 50+ years old it'll be fine, sure, some of the joints might not be, but that's not awful to fix.

Then Copper prices went up massively for a while and thinner guage twister pair went in at best, and Aluminium was used at worst.

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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by philjohn on Thursday June 14, 2018 @03:38PM (#17314688)
The problem is that FTTP/H has a much larger up front cost because of having to clear out potentially blocked ducts if underground, and the labour intensive work that needs to be done at the property.
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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by AboutTheWhisles on Thursday June 14, 2018 @08:36PM (#17316566)
How is it different from cable? One person can dig a trench and lay cable through a large yard in about two hours. This is essentially how cable tv and internet are hooked up.
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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by patmorgan23 on Thursday June 14, 2018 @11:19PM (#17317292)
Most places already have cable laid, change the equipment at the end is much easier than laying new lines
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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by AboutTheWhisles on Friday June 15, 2018 @01:54PM (#17321934)
Yes, but the parent was implying that fiber is somehow has more difficult to lay than regular coax.
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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by AlphaSite on Thursday June 14, 2018 @12:38PM (#17312935)
100 miles of fiver isn’t really that much is it? Maybe in absolute terms but when you have runs to each house that’s probably less than a couple hundred homes
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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by 15155 on Thursday June 14, 2018 @01:00PM (#17313148)
Boulder isn't very large.
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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by edaemon on Thursday June 14, 2018 @01:40PM (#17313578)
It would depend on where it's laid. If it's 100 miles of residential streets that's not that useful, but if it's 100 miles of major thoroughfares that means it's much easier to build it out across the city.
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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by 49bc on Thursday June 14, 2018 @11:58AM (#17312605)
This is the case in many, many major cities. When discussing this type of rollout, it’s almost always talking about last-mile, which is the most expensive to rollout and maintain.
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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by psalminen on Thursday June 14, 2018 @11:18AM (#17312331)
This is exactly what I was thinking about while reading the article. Funny they didn't mention it.
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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by rmshea on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @05:45PM (#17350515)
I'd love to learn more about this. Do you have any more info? Email is ryan [@] shea . cool
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Re:Boulder moves to fund citywide fiber buildout through debt by Cshelton on Thursday June 14, 2018 @11:44AM (#17312495)
Obligatory Sko' Buffs!
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