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Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by gzu on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @05:08PM (#17297995)
It’s crazy to me how one judge gets to decide the fate of a 100 billion dollar merger. Humans are fallible.
Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by forapurpose on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @05:58PM (#17298450)
Judges are subject to many checks on their power. First, they only can rule on cases brought before their court, which requires two other parties to want a trial (including, in this case, the Justice Department). Also, unless they are in the Supreme Court, judges generally do not choose which cases they hear. Finally, and most significantly, they also are restricted by laws made by the legislature, precedent made by other judges and higher courts, the facts, juries (if the litigants wish to use them), principles of law, and appeals.
Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by aurailious on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @05:25PM (#17298170)
Well, the judge has to base the decision on a whole bunch of laws. It's not like judges get to decide this on their own.
Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by xenihn on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @06:24PM (#17298625)
>Well, the judge has to base the decision on a whole bunch of laws. It's not like judges get to decide this on their own.

This is a weird opinion to hold when you take the fact that two judges can come to two completely separate conclusions on a single issue, while drawing from the same laws.

Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by blind_boy_grunt on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @08:19PM (#17299246)
Judging is the act of applying law (general) to a particular case (specific). Since laws can't anticipate every future situation at their time of writing, no matter what there will _always_ be some disconnect between these two -- i.e. vagueness/generality in law, leading to edge cases.

Which is why two judges can come to two completely separate conclusions on a single issue, while drawing from the same laws, based on their own personal methods of interpretation and biases.

Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by mortdeus on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @08:31PM (#17299296)
Judges in the lower circuits are also held accountable to higher circuit judges if they don't interpret the law while taking past case judgement into consideration.

A lower district judge can't overrule a higher judge's opinions.

Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by hermitdev on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @05:31PM (#17298214)
Except when they do. Activist judges & judicial legislation [0] are not a new thing.

[0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/judicial%20legisl...

Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by forapurpose on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @05:54PM (#17298424)
'Activist judge' is indeed a term in the English language, but what does it have to do with this case? There are 'drunk airplane pilots', but does that make the pilot of the plane I'm going to board a suspect?
Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by komali2 on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @06:04PM (#17298489)
I think of it in an engineery sense - if the edge case is possible, it will happen.

Maybe that works for software engineering, where it's a good idea to pause a release in case someone uses scripts to send a shitload of bad requests to our API and crashes a server because of our bug or whatever, but I understand that that doesn't work 1:1 with the real world, where it doesn't make sense to not have the aviation industry until we perfect self-flying planes.

Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by bmelton on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @06:37PM (#17298709)
> if the edge case is possible, it will happen

By that argument, you will:

* beat your wife

* murder an enemy

* shoot up a school full of children

* commit arson

* jump bail

* evade arrest

* die in a hail of bullets

So, assuming all those eventualities, why shouldn't we just put you to death now?

To spare you the rhetorical exercise, the answer is because we don't punish you for the things you might do, but only punish you for a) the things that you have done, b) that we can prove, c) beyond a reasonable doubt, d) in a court of law, e) before a jury of your peers.

Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by grasshopperpurp on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @09:54AM (#17303043)
No, not at all. This is closer to what the parent was saying

By that argument, someone will:

* beat his wife - true

* murder an enemy - true

* shoot up a school full of children - true

* commit arson - true

* jump bail - true

* evade arrest - true

* die in a hail of bullets - true

You see, all these things do happen. The parent is not arguing that because something is possible any one individual will do it. You're arguing a very different thing.

Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by dEnigma on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @07:09PM (#17298909)
I think we're getting a little sidetracked here. What the grandparent wanted to say was just that the corset of laws that binds a judge might not be as tight as you think; hence e.g. activist judges.
Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by bmelton on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @07:31PM (#17299011)
I think my point stands, which is that not every possibility is an eventuality, and we shouldn't assume that to be true without a willingness to accept a very bad panoply of preventative measures masquerading as corrective measures.

That said, whether or not an activist judge allows a presumptively lawful merger to occur is hardly a hill worth dying on. We have remedies for activist judges through an appeal process. Where an appeals process is not available after the merger, we have remedy for anti-competitive companies through regulatory influence, regulatory agency, rule of law, and a court system to back that up.

Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by flubert on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @06:49PM (#17298792)
You may enjoy: "The Myth of the Rule of Law".

http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm

Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by kuraudo on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @06:41PM (#17298733)
In a perfect world, what you said would be how things are actually decided.
Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by maxk42 on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @07:02PM (#17298870)
Apparently you've never heard of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_immunity
Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by atmosx on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @05:22PM (#17298153)
Are you proposing to use AI (or what we call AI nowadays) instead? :-)
Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by 1137 on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @05:33PM (#17298242)
// super advanced AI for court decision

while (defendant.getSumOfContrib(partyInCharge)<= Gov.Judicial.Common.RULE_FAVOR_MINIMUM) {

   delay();


}
Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by TillE on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @05:43PM (#17298329)
I think it would not necessarily be insane to envision a system which hands off non-obvious regulatory cases to the legislature, to amend the law such that this and future cases could be trivially decided.
Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by atmosx on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @03:43PM (#17306316)
Only an engineer could entertain this idea.
Re:AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner by oh_sigh on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @06:22PM (#17298613)
And the judge didn't even fully understand the arguments of the DOJ, and claimed it was too hot and too late to try to understand them.