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Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by asdfman123 on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:22PM (#17285621)
They can quit stressful jobs, or immediately get appointments with great healthcare providers, or go travel in Europe for a year.

Let's be fair: money can't solve all your problems, but it can solve some of them.

The only problem is that serious mental illness is one of those things that money can't magically fix.

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by Cakez0r on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:36PM (#17285806)
Unlimited wealth can also cause its own set of problems and anxieties that run deeper than "which bank should I use" or "which whim should I indulge next".

E.G. Does someone like me or do they just like my money? What should I do with my life now that I'm unfulfilled by indulging my whims?

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by vfulco2 on Monday June 11, 2018 @11:01PM (#17290399)
As a student in Japan, I was introduced to businessmen, to teach English, during their real estate boom. They just so happened to be the children of fathers who had buildings near the Imperial Palace, so became rich (on paper, 100MM+ USD) through no effort. Their lives were about as devoid of happiness that I have ever seen. After partying, hookers, golf, eating at every gourmet place in town, and foreign trips, life became uninspiring and they were a morose bunch to hang out with for dinner and drinks after our language classes. No thanks. A person needs purpose to enjoy life.
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by hood_syntax on Monday June 11, 2018 @03:51PM (#17287904)
> unfulfilled by indulging my whims

You see, that's what I don't get. There are _so_ many things to do that interest me. I will never have enough time to do them.

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by insulanus on Monday June 11, 2018 @04:40PM (#17288368)
Yes, but you might still have enough time to morph into a person who finds doing all that stuff unfulfilling. Humans are amazing at adaptation.
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by ehnto on Monday June 11, 2018 @01:09PM (#17286255)
It's an extension of graduation depression in a way. You have essentially succeeded at the most advertised metric of life, money. If you view life as a linear progression of growing success, then that's the logical conclusion. Good job, you win.
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by Cakez0r on Monday June 11, 2018 @03:10PM (#17287462)
And I'd guess this is also why midlife crises are a thing. Once you've got your beautiful family, house, car and stable job, what's next?
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by maroonblazer on Monday June 11, 2018 @04:34PM (#17288307)
Apologies if this is pedantic but, just the opposite, mid-life crises arise because of the realization that the gap between your accomplishments and your ideals is larger than you thought it would be by the time you reached middle age.
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by tuesdayrain on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @12:19AM (#17290678)
Seems strange trying to define precisely why people might have a crisis in the middle of their life, as if there would be a single reason.
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by solarkraft on Monday June 11, 2018 @08:10PM (#17289708)
this is not pedantic if it's the definition of a mid life crisis (I don't know), but just wrong if people worry about different things :-)
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by undefined1 on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:34PM (#17285789)
Yeah, though one can imagine that being a billionaire also introduces some problems. For one thing it changes family and friend dynamics and that's really a key source of happiness.
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by s-shellfish on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:43PM (#17285912)
It's the same problem that comes from excelling at anything valued, or having any intensely desired quality. You don't know why people want to be around you, and you don't know whether they will still be there if (or when) you no longer have those qualities deemed so desirable.
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by farone on Monday June 11, 2018 @01:01PM (#17286159)
Not the same, not even close.

Capital is abstracted value that everybody needs. The differences this makes in such a situation is drastically more disorienting.

>and you don't know whether they will still be there if (or when) you no longer have those qualities deemed so desirable

This phenomenon is heartbreaking and surely happens with things like talents and innate characteristics, personality, etc., but it would be very rare with those compared to with capital. When it concerns capital, the issue becomes exponentially more common with exponentially less potential to be understood. When it's happening with more people in a society, it's instances collide and fracture relationships at a far greater rate.

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by s-shellfish on Monday June 11, 2018 @01:12PM (#17286281)
Abstraction and everybody...

That really depends on how you look at what a 'self' and what 'everybody' is, and how 'abstraction' interrelates the two.

Consider an artist in relation to their culture.

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by farone on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:53PM (#17286052)
Not disagreeing at all, but "being a billionaire" is a poor articulation of the culprit.

The havoc capitalism plays on social relationships has been documented, researched for centuries. This is the very core of Marxist thought, and to my knowledge has never been contested.

Since you're probably an American and I just referenced Karl Marx, let's please remember Karl Marx was in fact insistent on the importance of democracy (far more than most Americans) and that anyone familiar with his work would have no question of the vast differences between and his well-known disapproval of the Soviet Union defending their project with his work.

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by ttonkytonk on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @06:19AM (#17292029)
Another problem I see with capitalism is that since competition is the prevailing theme, there is a sort of "fog of war" about.
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by rajacombinator on Thursday June 14, 2018 @10:24PM (#17317076)
Karl Marx died decades before the Soviet Union was formed. Where do you people come up with this stuff?

-t. Someone who has actually read Marx’s drivel.

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by dkersten on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:50PM (#17286009)
Even the problems money can’t solve, it can often help (eg, money can’t vuy happiness but a year long trip might be the change you needed to find happiness) or at least remove other worries.

But of course as others have said, it brings another set of worries.

Still, money is an enabler that creates options.

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by theandrewbailey on Monday June 11, 2018 @04:45PM (#17288421)
In other words, money is a tool. People get happiness not from tools, but what can be done with them.
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by dkersten on Monday June 11, 2018 @08:07PM (#17289692)
That is a great summary, thanks!
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by ASipos on Monday June 11, 2018 @05:26PM (#17288747)
And unfortunately programming is a tool.
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by rhizome on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:30PM (#17285728)
I'm guessing you aren't aware that Kate Spade had sold her company years ago.
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by waisbrot on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:34PM (#17285783)
I'm not aware of Kate Spade, but I feel like the prior poster's

> The only problem is that serious mental illness is one of those things that money can't magically fix.

covers it pretty well, no?

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by busterarm on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:36PM (#17285816)
She had a new company, so she still had a stressful job: https://francesvalentine.com/
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by loeg on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:35PM (#17285804)
(One anecdote does not contradict the general point.)
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by pricees on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:37PM (#17285827)
"They can quit stressful jobs, or immediately get appointments with great healthcare providers, or go travel in Europe for a year."

I believe I know what you mean. I disagree. I have no experience being a billionaire, or a millionaire for that matter, however here are my casual observations and thoughts:

A billionaire cannot just quit a job. There must be a transition period. A billionaire can't just no call no show. It's possible, but it never happens.

A billionaire cannot travel to Europe like I can, going from Airbnb to airbnb, hopping in an Uber, surfing with the locals, enjoying fish tacos. A billionaire ends up being an ambassador with little privacy.

Immediately get appointments with great healthcare providers. Maybe. But so can I.

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by n0us on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:43PM (#17285908)
> A billionaire cannot travel to Europe like I can, going from Airbnb to airbnb, hopping in an Uber, surfing with the locals, enjoying fish tacos. A billionaire ends up being an ambassador with little privacy.

Thats what the founder of MySpace does now.

https://theoutline.com/post/4137/myspace-tom-mark-zuckerberg...

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by loeg on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:45PM (#17285938)
> A billionaire cannot just quit a job. There must be a transition period. A billionaire can't just no call no show. It's possible, but it never happens.

They absolutely can. A board may not want to publicize the sudden leave, which might contribute to not hearing about it. The whatsapp founders left Facebook pretty quickly, although not for mental health reasons.

It also takes a certain kind of workaholic to reach billionaire levels of wealth. If you've already made it to that kind of egg, you may just have a good handle on anxiety.

> A billionaire cannot travel to Europe like I can, going from Airbnb to airbnb, hopping in an Uber, surfing with the locals, enjoying fish tacos.

They absolutely can. Maybe not someone who has intentionally made their image part of their personal brand, but could you pick Jim Walton or Micheal Bloomberg out of a lineup? And they're two of the very richest billionaires — not the mere single-digit billionaires.

> A billionaire ends up being an ambassador with little privacy.

I don't think that's true at all. Money buys privacy.

> Immediately get appointments with great healthcare providers. Maybe. But so can I.

The silent follow-up clause to that sentence is "... and not have to think about the cost." (Assuming our billionaire is from the US.)

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by giarc on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:43PM (#17285919)
I think you are lumping all billionaires into the "celebratory billionaire" category. Sure Mark Zuckerberg can no longer zoom around Europe without being recognized, but how many would recognize Len Blavatnik, #46 on Forbes billionare list worth $21B (for example).
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by loeg on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:46PM (#17285954)
> how many would recognize Len Blavatnik, #46 on Forbes billionare list worth $21B (for example)?

Exactly. Or even the Waltons, two of the Forbes top-15. If their image isn't part of their public brand, you probably wouldn't recognize them.

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by waisbrot on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:50PM (#17286001)
> A billionaire cannot just quit a job. There must be a transition period. A billionaire can't just no call no show. It's possible, but it never happens.

It's not called "quitting". It's usually "taking a sabbatical" or "a leave of absence". It's only "quitting" if you don't make very much.

> A billionaire ends up being an ambassador with little privacy.

Would you recognize any billionaire (besides maybe Bill Gates) on sight? Ask the hotel to be discreet and don't pay for things by saying "hi I'm pricees, the world-renowned billionaire."

> Immediately get appointments with great healthcare providers. Maybe. But so can I.

Good for you? In America, that's not the norm. Excellent healthcare is available for high cost here, but getting a expert doctor to make a house-call requires some degree of cachet.

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by jonas21 on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:44PM (#17285923)
> A billionaire cannot just quit a job. There must be a transition period. A billionaire can't just no call no show.

Not only that, I imagine that quitting before retirement age could add a lot of anxiety for a billionaire due to loss of status, loss of purpose, feelings of failure, etc.

Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by dkersten on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:55PM (#17286089)
A billionaire has options though. They can often come back, or they can start a new company on a whim, but, as others have said, they often don’t “quit” but rather take extended time out that leaves them with the option of returning, when they choose to do so.
Re:Ask HN: How do billionaires deal with their anxiety? by olleromam91 on Monday June 11, 2018 @09:27PM (#17290061)
Some of the most advanced and effective mental health retreats are EXTREMELY expensive. Upwards of 2000 dollars a day.