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Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by mkirklions on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:09AM (#17237699)
Hijacking to ask HN what laptops they recommend.

Ive had good luck with a Asus AFTER it was formatted. The bloatware from the original install had me trashing Asus as a company because I thought their hardware sucked.

I dont think HP can be trusted, they have 1000 dollar laptops without onboard graphics that they sell to computer illiterate people that want big touch screens and gimmick features.

Any recs?

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by chasote on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:55AM (#17238223)
I'm still beating the drums that the mid range chromebooks are the best Linux computer deals around. Take a look at something like the Asus C302 (and it won't come with the bloatware you mentioned about your previous Asus). Google's Pixelbook is a really impressive piece of hardware and you can currently get that for $675 (down from $1000).
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by imjustsaying on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @12:15PM (#17239133)
chromebooks would be great if it weren't for the rather large software limitations of their ARM processors. so many packages and libraries just wont work. at that point, chromebooks feel like just another toy similar to your phone.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by qbrass on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @12:42PM (#17239455)
That's why you get an Intel one, like the one mentioned.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by forapurpose on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @12:26PM (#17239265)
What do you want to do with it?

For most vendors, there is a big difference between their consumer hardware, sold based on price, bells & whistles; and their corporate hardware, sold based on cost of ownership - availability, manageability, serviceability, support. In many cases, the corporate model is worth the extra cost up front - it saves much more in headaches down the road. But usually they lack features for gaming and some other consumer or specialized applications.

I've seen many HP corporate models last seemingly forever - so long that the users grow frustrated because they can't justify a new computer. There's a ~14 year old one not far from where I'm sitting that runs perfectly and is in perfect condition, other than the pointstick (it has a trackpad too).

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by AdmiralAsshat on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:12AM (#17237737)
Are you keeping it on Windows or planning to throw Linux onto it?

Dell's XPS 13/15 line run Linux very well, as do Lenovo's Thinkpads.

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by SmellyGeekBoy on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:40AM (#17238040)
Just wanted to second your recommendation and add that they also run Windows very well (although personally I ran Fedora on my previous ThinkPad and current Dell XPS 15).

If you do go down the Windows route, just make sure you create new installation media from the Microsoft website and do a clean install before anything else.

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by wjoe on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @11:20AM (#17238496)
+1 for the Dell XPS 13. I'm running Arch Linux on one for work and I've had 0 hardware/driver issues, which is rare for a laptop.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by pier25 on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:52AM (#17238187)
I haven't used it myself, but a lot of people recommend the Huawei Matebook X Pro.

https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/huawei-matebook-pr...

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by OldSchoolJohnny on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:31AM (#17237933)
Thinkpad T series is the modern classic developers workorse for getting things done; if you feel like paying a premium for a pretty tool and want to hang out in coffee shops a lot then you can get a Macbook.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by sjm-lbm on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @11:32AM (#17238620)
I feel like Thinkpad Ts started taking major steps backwards around 2013. Is that just me?

I kept a 2011-era one alive for a long time, but it finally died late last year - and nothing that Lenovo was selling at the time seemed very tempting.

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by discreditable on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:49AM (#17238149)
I work with a lot of ThinkPad Yogas. They are decent. The business machines are not terrible on bloat. I would still download a Win10 installer and nuke the factory image.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by _trampeltier on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @05:37PM (#17242321)
I like Fujitsu Lifebook E series. Of course they are not the cheapest, but they come without bloatware since ever. Also my over 10 years old power supply still works with today's newer machines and via versa. And they have not just FULL SIZE CURSOR buttons, they have Page Up and Down buttons (without Fn) too, even on the 13" model. I also like the silver look with the thin red line.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by jhoh on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @11:21AM (#17238502)
Dell XPS 15! Build quality (and touch pad) are equal to MacBooks and they come with minimal bloat ware.

Also Dell support for me personally has been great so far. I had a single dead pixel on my screen and they replaced without any questions within just two weeks.

Most Linux distros work out of the box. Manjaro took me 20 minutes to set up.

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by mtw on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:16AM (#17237769)
Macbook pro (if you can find one without keyboard issues)

I also use an old Thinkpad 11.6" inch - it runs Ubuntu. I put it on a self-driving RC car and it won't die. Generally recommend Thinkpads.

I also have an HP Spectre x360 13" 2017. The trackpad is a bit buggy with Ubuntu but apart from that its seriously not a bad deal. It has USB-c and I can connect an external GPU enclosure for machine learning. Also great as a Netflix device

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by FussyZeus on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:17AM (#17237782)
2015 is the last good model for Macbooks, and they can be had (relatively) affordably secondhand or even via Apple Refurbished.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by post_break on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @11:01AM (#17238289)
You can still buy the 2015 Macbook pro straight from apple brand new and pick up apple care.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by wtallis on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @01:47PM (#17240198)
How? It's not shown on their website.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by jackvalentine on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @07:59PM (#17243258)
https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/15-inch

Under the new models, the old non-touchbar 15" with deeper keyboard is shown.

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by FussyZeus on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @08:42AM (#17246573)
Well I'll be damned, look at that.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by wtallis on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:06PM (#17243840)
Ah. But the old 13" is truly gone.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by FussyZeus on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @11:22AM (#17238516)
You can buy the 2015 refurbished, in limited quantities, but not brand new. It does come with AppleCare though.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by dcosson on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @11:30AM (#17238603)
Is the keyboard that bad that sticking with 2015 is worth it? For just about the same price the 2017's seem to have significantly faster SSD's by some benchmarks, a thinner form factor, slightly faster RAM and maybe a tiny perf boost from Kaby Lake. I don't expect to use the touchbar much but I don't see it being an issue either, I already map escape to capslock.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by Xixi on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @12:59PM (#17239641)
It's a matter of taste: I personally love the keyboard, much better in my opinion than the one of my old MacBook Air, or any other keyboard I've used in fact. But it took me a while to get used to it. However I would not be surprised to see it die prematurely: be careful not to stick something (food...) under a key!

The touchbar is entirely useless though. I've mapped the escape key to capslock, not doing so would have driven me insane.

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by kalleboo on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @02:38AM (#17244814)
If you need a reliable machine then yes it is.

I actually like the feel of the new keyboard but the "J" key is busted and compressed air isn't cutting it anymore so I'm going to have to send my main laptop off for a week which is a huge disturbance in my work flow (gotta set up the backup Mac)

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by pier25 on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:50AM (#17238160)
I recently bought a 2017 Macbook Air with the refreshed CPU and it's a great machine for the price.

Yeah, the screen is old, but it's not that big of a deal IMO.

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by FussyZeus on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @11:00AM (#17238277)
Eh, I've crossed into retina-land. There's no going back, hehe.

The wife has a Macbook Air I believe from 2013. Swapped in an SSD upgrade some time ago, still kickin.

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by pier25 on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @12:48PM (#17239515)
The DPI is not so bad. It's not retina, but at 128 DPI it's decent.

The biggest issues IMO are ghosting and color gamut, but I don't really care for using Sublime or browsing Reddit and HN. The MBA is not my main machine anyway.

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by mkirklions on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @12:33PM (#17239355)
If I need to compile a React Native App, this would do the trick right?

Looking to give Apple the least amount of money as possible.

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by fhood on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @12:43PM (#17239463)
Sure, find a maxed out 15" model. It'll do pretty much whatever you need it too. Mine (purchased new) still blows a lot of stuff out of the water as far as baseline day to day performance.

Mpbs were, and still are, very popular dev machines, so most dev tasks are pretty easy to achieve. Just be careful not to install multiple package managers or you may never find some of your libraries again.

Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by FussyZeus on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @03:19PM (#17241065)
My 2014 Macbook Pro still dances circles around my boss's brand new top-spec Dell.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by emidln on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @12:32AM (#17244360)
Exact opposite at my work. Most devs were stuck trying to use VMs with 16GB Macbook Pros and I'm sitting with a 64GB Clevo happily running Linux. Its hard to overstate how much better a modern NVMe m.2 stick and spare ram for a memory disk in key locations is for your dev experience.
Re:Toshiba to Close the Book on Its Laptop Unit by appleiigs on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @07:30PM (#17243095)
I'm using a LG Gram laptop. Affordable, all the ports (regular USB and USB-C, HDMI, SD card), and great battery life.

It's annoying that Dell and HP decided to continue to copy Apple by going all USB-C.