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Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by davnicwil on Friday June 01, 2018 @02:15PM (#17208342)
I know, it seems great. But who is paying for that fraud protection? Who is paying for that customer service team? Who is paying for the fact you get paid to use it?

In the end.. It's you, through slightly higher prices on everything you buy every day because retailers have to price in the cost of credit card fees that pay for all that.

Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by mseebach on Friday June 01, 2018 @02:44PM (#17208660)
I've seen an estimate that credit cards are actually slightly cheaper overall for the economy than cash, when you factor in everything. The physical infrastructure to deal with cash is not cheap.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by stanleydrew on Friday June 01, 2018 @02:49PM (#17208713)
Even without the physical infrastructure it might be cheaper to use credit cards. How much cash is lost in loose change after small transactions every year? I'd bet more than 2%
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by ktta on Friday June 01, 2018 @02:51PM (#17208738)
Of cash used in every day transactions? Maybe.

Of cash used in bigger transactions that are replaced by credit cards? No way

Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by imustbeevil on Friday June 01, 2018 @03:59PM (#17209525)
This is actually a benefit because it subtly counteracts inflation.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by Silhouette on Friday June 01, 2018 @09:47PM (#17212150)
Those two aren't the only options, though. Many other electronic payment methods exist that are better than credit cards in almost every way.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by PenguinCoder on Saturday June 02, 2018 @10:13AM (#17214663)
Which payment methods are readily available to consumers and business owners that is 'better than credit cards in almost every way'?
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by Silhouette on Saturday June 02, 2018 @02:58PM (#17215834)
That depends on where you are. In Europe, electronic payments directly from bank accounts or using various types of card that debit directly are much more reliable and have much lower fees, for example.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by joeseeder on Saturday June 02, 2018 @05:50PM (#17216581)
Can you imagine the queue forming in the morning at the coffee place, where someone is trying to pay them with a bank transfer... ? Just typing in the IBAN Takes ages.. Card/Phone Contactless payments are super fast and efficient.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by Silhouette on Saturday June 02, 2018 @07:14PM (#17216936)
But you don't make a bank transfer in that environment. I can make a contactless payment with my bank's debit card, and it comes straight from my bank account. Many people here in the UK do this routinely for minor purchases, and the technology has been available for several years now. As you say, it's fast and efficient.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by chipperyman573 on Friday June 01, 2018 @02:54PM (#17208758)
In the end it's the (usually) poor people who bought more than they could afford (either because they needed food or because they couldn't control their impulse buys) and are stuck paying interest on things they bought years ago
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by DaiPlusPlus on Friday June 01, 2018 @03:29PM (#17209125)
Credit card interest payments go to the bank. Visa/MasterCard don’t get any of that.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by expiredtofu on Friday June 01, 2018 @07:12PM (#17211325)
I thought the bank was the one that provided the fraud protection, customer service, etc.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by willstrafach on Saturday June 02, 2018 @01:15PM (#17215423)
Fraud protection is not really “provided” by anyone, it is simply a reversal of the charge, leaving the affected merchant holding the bag.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by expiredtofu on Friday June 01, 2018 @02:35PM (#17208557)
It's not just the merchants, but also the number of people who are not paying the full amount owed each month and accruing interest.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by jayd16 on Friday June 01, 2018 @02:18PM (#17208378)
Most of the time there's no explicit CC charge so you'd still be paying for it whether you paid cash or not.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by plantain on Friday June 01, 2018 @02:26PM (#17208459)
That means you're paying it when you pay cash too....
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by NullPrefix on Saturday June 02, 2018 @07:43AM (#17214103)
Subsidizing card users.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by Woofles on Friday June 01, 2018 @03:16PM (#17208969)
In fact I'm pretty sure Visa and Mastercard forbid charging a different price if customers pay in cash.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by toast0 on Friday June 01, 2018 @03:36PM (#17209233)
They don't forbid charging a different price, or even advertising a different price; they only forbid advertising a surcharge for using a card. An advertised cash discount is acceptable. States may have further requirements, for example, California requires gas stations report credit prices in at least the same size numbers as cash prices, but enforcement is light.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by paulie_a on Friday June 01, 2018 @03:34PM (#17209208)
In the US, that is no longer true. They can at least have a minimum, not sure if they can charge differently, but for small purchases it is effectively the same
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by fauigerzigerk on Friday June 01, 2018 @02:48PM (#17208708)
That's how insurance works. Spread the damage to across many so no one gets hurt real bad.
Re:Visa card network crashes, causing increased decline rate... by codeismylife on Friday June 01, 2018 @03:20PM (#17209013)
> retailers have to price in the cost of credit card fees

Do retailers actually do this? I briefly worked in retail a while back and the payment processing fees(online and offline) were all considered to be part of the cost of doing business and essentially taken up by the merchant.

Today I provide ecommerce solutions and all my merchants haven't priced in the cost of payment processing either. They aren't necessarily happy about it but they consider it to be part of the cost of engaging in commerce in the modern world otherwise they'll be annihilated by their competitors if they don't provide easy ways to accept payments from their patrons.