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Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by wwweston on Thursday May 31, 2018 @08:38PM (#17201565)
Opinion: Trade sanctions against America won’t work. Sanctioning Trump himself might.

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/trade-sanctions-against-amer...

Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by archgoon on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:33PM (#17201903)
Seems easy to do since he's refused to separate himself from his business interests when he assumed the presidency.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by newnewpdro on Thursday May 31, 2018 @10:07PM (#17202068)
I am finding it difficult to accept this is the reality we live in:

"the President can be successfully engaged, and countries like Ukraine, China, and Qatar have demonstrated this. When they want something from the United States, they skip the State Department, and even the White House staff. Instead of approaching their problem state-to-state, they go state-to-man. These countries focus on what Trump wants on a personal level – to enrich his family. So Beijing granted Ivanka trademarks, Qatar invested in one of Jared’s office towers, and Ukraine, with Slavic candor, simply wired half a million dollars to the President’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen."

Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by krapp on Thursday May 31, 2018 @10:56PM (#17202243)
But I thought Trump couldn't be bought because he's a self-made businessman who tells it like it is, no hassle, no haggle, no bullshit, unlike those effete city dwellers and globalist politicians?

Is America Great Again yet? A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage?

Don't worry about steel, we'll open the steel mills up again. We have to build plenty of new aircraft carriers so we'll need a lot of steel. And they'll have steam catapults, none of this newfangled computer nonsense. And the wall. The wall will be steel, too, of course, so when the Mexicans try to climb up it they'll just slide right back down. In fact, we'll need two walls now, one for the Canadians, too.

Sigh.

I wonder if this one will fondle Angela Merkel too?

Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by toomanybeersies on Friday June 01, 2018 @12:17AM (#17202523)
Don't forget that the wall needs to be see-through, so you can see if any Mexicans are trying to catapult drugs over, which might land on and kill innocent Americans.

Oh, and we can put solar panels on the wall, which will help pay for the wall with the power generated, even though the Mexicans are paying for the wall via increased tariffs on Mexican goods, forcing American consumers to pay more.

Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by oceanghost on Friday June 01, 2018 @01:37PM (#17207883)
> But I thought Trump couldn't be bought

As it turns out, the surface area for attack is much greater.

Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by state_less on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:33PM (#17201906)
If the trade wars continue escalating, I don't see how this is going to end well.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by stevenwoo on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:05PM (#17201745)
Retaliatory trade sanctions have worked against America but it took almost a year for the reprecussions to bubble up and make the President change his mind after the 2002 steel tariffs were enacted by the Bush administration. The Trump specific sanctions do seem like a ripe target for a more immediate response this time.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by ttul on Thursday May 31, 2018 @08:55PM (#17201676)
What a fantastic idea.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by craftyguy on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:24PM (#17201847)
That's exactly what the US does to folks (e.g. Putin's friends) when they do stupid, I'm surprised that no nations have considered doing the same with Donald and his friends/family.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by PakG1 on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:32PM (#17201894)
http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/15/news/companies/trump-organiz...

Though this is a carrot instead of a stick.

Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by azernik on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:56PM (#17202011)
The article itself explicitly makes the comparison to the US Magnitsky Act.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by s2g on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:33PM (#17201904)
because Putin and Co. are ultra-corrupt murderous oligarchs.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by s2g on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:11PM (#17201780)
That sounds a whole lot more like a national security issue than the tariffs.

Could also use tariffs to try and hit the states that voted for Trump the hardest.

Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by bryanlarsen on Thursday May 31, 2018 @10:29PM (#17202152)
> hit the states that voted for Trump the hardest.

These tariffs were targeted at congressional leaders:

" "The idea is, you look at a map of the congressional districts of the United States, you look at which members of Congress are in leadership positions and then you look at the big industries in those districts and then you draw up your list accordingly," she said. "And this list was clearly drawn up with this in mind." (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/steel-tariff-maple-syrup-toi...)

Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by jcranmer on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:14PM (#17201796)
Well, not so much states that voted for Trump, but small-population states that rack up lots of Senate votes. Put punitive tariffs on corn, soybean, and pork exports, and you'll have a dozen senators imploring Trump to back off.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by craftyguy on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:30PM (#17201881)
Interesting that it's perfectly legal for foreign nations to pressure folks into voting one way or another by punishing them for voting in a particular president (and possibly hurting his/his party's chances of re-election), but it's not if they run ads to try and pursuade voters.

It's almost like indirect election influencing vs direct election influencing (Russia in 2016). Somehow one is bad, but the other isn't.

Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by john00088876 on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:36PM (#17201926)
It’s completely fair to target them since they’re responsible for choosing the administration who initiated this, and it’s totally clear what’s going on. Very different than dishonest manipulation of people’s ideas through fabrications. Targeted consequences to actions as a retaliation are very different to secret manipulation ahead of an election.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by hangonhn on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:36PM (#17201925)
I think it's a question of enforcement. You can enforce direct influence in the US because it usually happens on US soil or via US companies but indirect influence via tariffs is nearly impossible since foreign countries largely get to impose rules about what happens in their own country and this is what tariffs are.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by chillwaves on Thursday May 31, 2018 @10:07PM (#17202071)
The difference is when a US candidate works with a foreign power to win. You really don't see the distinction?

Foreign governments do lobby our government, and register for the privilege. This is not the same as Trump Jr conspiring with Russians in Trump tower.

Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by s2g on Friday June 01, 2018 @03:26PM (#17209089)
All's fair in love and [trade] war.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by jcranmer on Thursday May 31, 2018 @10:57PM (#17202250)
It's not about targeting people because they voted for Trump. It's about targeting a small, export-focused segment of the economy that has outsized political power. Agricultural sectors of the economy tend to fit this billet in pretty much every country, which is why agricultural tariffs are the thorniest parts of trade agreements.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by seanmcdirmid on Thursday May 31, 2018 @11:04PM (#17202276)
To be fair, targeting small republican states can be effective, while targeting democrat states would be totally ineffective considering they would vote against the president anyways.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by toomanybeersies on Thursday May 31, 2018 @10:18PM (#17202109)
That's exactly what they do already. That's why the EU is putting tariffs on things like Bourbon Whiskey.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by hangonhn on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:35PM (#17201917)
China had already prepared to do exactly this. Notice what they said they will raise tariffs: pigs, soybeans, etc. A lot of farming states which are core Trump supporters.
Re:Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning p... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:25PM (#17201853)
> Could also use tariffs to try and hit the states that voted for Trump the hardest

"The European Union will hit back at the heart of the United States, slapping tariffs on products like Harley-Davidsons, Kentucky bourbon and bluejeans, if President Trump goes ahead with a plan to place tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, the president of the bloc’s executive arm vowed on Friday."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/02/business/europe-steel-tar...