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Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by snowwrestler on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:03PM (#17197357)
I'm not surprised; in SLRs at least, Canon was never the dominant film camera company with the biggest customer base. Their SLR business did not catch up to and pass Nikon until the digital era.

Canon's decision to put the AF motor in the lens helped them in verticals that use huge telephotos (sports, mostly). But their film cameras lagged Nikon in the sophistication of their AF, their automated exposure control, and especially their flash exposure control. These were all big deals in the era when every frame was precious and mistakes were hidden until it's too late (after the film was developed).

In digital cameras their AF system is now on par, and auto exposure is just less important in general because of the ease of reviewing and post-processing for exposure. They started moving past Nikon about 15 years ago by creating sensors that were cheaper, larger, and had lower noise. Since then they have filled in gaps in their lens lines, and used their expertise in video, to maintain their lead.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by anthonybsd on Thursday May 31, 2018 @02:33PM (#17198825)
>But their film cameras lagged Nikon in the sophistication of their AF, their automated exposure control, and especially their flash exposure control.

I'm sorry, but you are completely off base here. Nikon always had the lead in flash exposure, yes. But in AF and lenses especially? Canon was the first to completely break compatibility with their older (FD mount) lenses which allowed them to have lightning fast autofocus (Ultrasonic line), which took Nikon more than a decade to catch up to. Same with exposure zones and metering accuracy combined with extremely fast drives - this basically meant that Canon took over sports photography in the mid 90s.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by snowwrestler on Thursday May 31, 2018 @04:31PM (#17199936)
Canon had high-performance lenses thanks to putting the AF motor in the lense (as I said). But their AF sensors lagged Nikon in their low-light sensitivity and their intelligence with moving objects. This is why most nature photographers did not move from Nikon to Canon until the digital era. Art Wolfe was just about the only big-name nature photographer on Canon for years.

EDIT to add about auto exposure: the EOS-1N, released in 1995, had a monochrome 16-segment evaluative meter. The Nikon F5, released in 1996, had a 1,005 segment color-sensitive evaluative meter, which also incorporated focus distance from the lens. Essentially it took a 1 kilopixel digital photo in order to set the film exposure.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by lb1lf on Thursday May 31, 2018 @05:16PM (#17200362)
Oooh, the F5.

I've had one for fifteen years plus. To this day, the only camera I've owned which is actually a physical experience to shoot; the AF and film drive motors are actually strong enough for you to feel the torque they develop as you shoot.

(The F5 could officially shoot 8fps; on a fresh set of batteries you would often get nine; this thing could focus, evaluate the exposure, advance the film, stop down the aperture and trigger the shutter _nine_ times a second.)

The metering system can only be described as exquisite; after a few dozen rolls on the F5 I actually got into the (bad!) habit of not bracketing most of my color positive shots - the metering was spot on just about all the time, regardless of tricky conditions.

I think I'll take it out for a shooting session tomorrow, it's been a few months since it last saw any use. Thanks for the reminder!

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by stan_rogers on Thursday May 31, 2018 @03:39PM (#17199433)
Yessir. They were first to break compatibility, immediately (ish) after Minolta did it.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by cptskippy on Thursday May 31, 2018 @05:16PM (#17200364)
True and his transgression was an easy one to make because most people will say "Mi..who?" They merged with Konica sometime in the early 2000s and exited the camera market. Minolta was never considered more than a prosumer camera maker, it's cameras lacked many essential features that professional photographers demanded in their SLRs.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by foobar1962 on Thursday May 31, 2018 @05:23PM (#17200413)
Sony bought part of the Minolta/ Konica camera business. Minolta had an AF slr very early in the game iirc.

They weren’t pro mainly because they didn’t have an extensive range of lenses ands accessories, and the lenses were mainly slow zooms.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by stan_rogers on Thursday May 31, 2018 @07:58PM (#17201380)
They actually had a pretty extensive range of lenses and accessories (bulk film backs, drives and grips, etc.), and had those cool white f/2.8 zooms and teles before Canon did. Some of those lenses, like the 24mm VFC (variable field curvature), were unique to the line and allowed a photographer to pull off shots that wouldn't be practical again until digital composition (focus stacking, etc.) came along. They also had a decent TTL flash system way ahead of the game - you could pull a full-on Joe McNally job, but you needed to do it cabled.

Their real problem was dropping into and out of the pro market at irregular intervals. Every time the put together a killer, truly professional-level body system, the market reaction was, "yeah, I don't want to invest in a system that's going to be orphaned next week," which led to it being orphaned the next week. I'd already moved on to medium and large format when the Maxxum/Dynax/Alpha hit, but it was still maddening to see my old favourite shooting themselves in the foot over and over again.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by apocrypher on Friday June 01, 2018 @04:43AM (#17203618)
I owned and used that VFC lens for many years.

Variable Field Curvature.

this can't be digitally recreated.

its a really interesting lens and the reason why I may yet fall back into my Kodak habit of yore.

Flash, on the Maxxum/Dynax AF cameras, from the get go, was incredible. Focus distance is critical for flash exposure. Minolta pioneered AF. Thry also played sloppy with a Honeywell patent, when we feared trade deficit to Japan, remember 4GL, 5GL... Originally Japanese manufacturers claimed solidarity. Then Minolta was left standing alone, stood up, and stupidly didn't settle. This was widely attributed to Minoru Tashima, he of Machinery and Industrial OpticAL Tashima. Reality, bad legal gamble lost to international politics. The punitive $100MM fine, hurt MINOLTA horribly, hence erratic pro equipment development.

On the contrary to the above comments assertion, Minolta had mire fast glass than anyone.

Edit, I used professionally almost every single MINOLTA camera and certainly every serious lens, from the SRT102b, to the last pre Sony, all home grown Dynax 7D...

if you're curious, just find a good store with a Sony A99II on display. This is the model that's​going to demonstrate the ability of a camera to be a genuinely delightful experience, above even the A9. If you can afford it, my experience of the A9, I challenge anyone to take a technically bad photo with it. The A99II is a serious machine too, but it caters to a old school crowd and the new models, the reason why they have a all new lens mount, again, is the lenses are designed for use with in camera software correction of distortion and vignetting etc. I personally dislike that change, not that i can criticize the results, but, strikingly demarked by the A9, we have entered the software supremacy era. Its incredible.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by anthonybsd on Monday June 04, 2018 @04:31PM (#17232093)
Right you are :). Actually at some point in the 90s I did drool over Minolta Maxxum, mostly because of crazy 1/12000 shutter speed, and flash sync speed of 1/300. Completely forgot about them. I guess I also forgot about Yashica which had a dubious advantage of AF and being able to mount manual Contax lenses.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by girvo on Thursday May 31, 2018 @11:13PM (#17202325)
Bah. Tell that to the amazing 40mm on my Minolta 7S! :)
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by bitL on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:32PM (#17197678)
What lead are you talking about? Canon's sensors were a running joke in the past 5 years comparing to Nikon (that used modified Sony sensors), manufactured in 3 generation-older process than their competition. Seeing e.g. D750 vs 5D MkIII in low-light was an eye opener. The only selling point of Canon remained their unique "pleasant" color mapping (and photographers getting stuck with older Canon-only lenses/strobes etc.).
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by gnarcoregrizz on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:57PM (#17197927)
Canon's sensors are decent, not a running joke as you say. But yeah they are known more for their colors (which is actually very important). Sony has destroyed the competition with their sensors though, and has really pushed the boundaries, at least until recently with that 50 mpix sensor that Canon released. Haven't researched that much though, I'm a few years behind myself.

That said, Canon has historically been the winner with their lens selection, and IMO UX. Sony is quickly catching up, or even surpassing them though with e-mount, especially now that more 3rd party lens manufacturers are killing it (Sigma). I also like EVFs more than OVFs since you get a better exposure preview and focus peeking for manual focus. I really, really, really wanted to buy a Sony a7, but I ended up buying a Canon 6d due to lens selection a few years ago (and the Canon beat them on price). I'm a huge fan of mirrorless tech and I'm actually surprised that SLRs are still around.

The camera body is being commoditized. I'm a canon fan and hope they catch up with a full frame mirrorless, my buddy who follows the tech more said he's heard rumors that they are releasing one next year?

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by ISL on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:42PM (#17198392)
There are plenty of Canon and Nikon rumors regarding a mirrorless option; the proof will be in the pudding. The A7 III is Sony's shot at Canon's full-frame jugular.

I, too, surprised myself by recently purchasing a 6D (I, not II -- why increase weight and dark noise?) on both lens-selection/lock-in and quickness concerns. I was surprised to find that I loved being able to leave the camera switched on all day in the mountains and draw/shoot/stow in seconds, with 1000+ images on one battery. Barring substantial advancements in sensor/display power consumption, no mirrorless camera can match that property. Furthermore, it is an instrument I can handle/adjust quickly and reliably with gloves on in harsh conditions. For a week at temperatures between -20 and -30 C, the 6D (and iPhones kept warm) operated normally while friends with mirrorless cameras suffered shutdowns.

The three things, from my perspective, that Canon really lacks are 0.5-1 stops of dynamic range in the sensor (SNRs are competitive across all brands, an underappreciated fact), silent electronic shutter, and Sony's incredible array of on-plane focus sensors and focus algorithms (Canon's DPAF may actually compete, if turned loose/optimized further). Sony's eye-detection AF must be a game-changer for portrait photographers.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by gnarcoregrizz on Thursday May 31, 2018 @02:03PM (#17198553)
Eye-detection AF is huge. It's so difficult to get the perfect portrait. I think most people end up using preview mode and manual focusing, which is a pain and takes a while.

I'm not at all unhappy with my choice to get the 6d. It's a great camera, and Canon's lenses have all been great. Even though I've always wanted a smaller full frame, any size improvement to the body is negated by the glass unless you get a fixed pancake lens. Good point about mirrorless battery life as well, I don't usually consider it that much since its easy to carry a spare, but I had an eos-m a while back and the battery life was frustrating. Unfortunately, it got trashed in reviews which I think set mirrorless back a bit for canon. Sure the autofocus was garbage, but the 22mm f/2 kit lens for it was amazing (one of the best I've used) and it was the smallest inexpensive camera with the best IQ/$ imo, and it had an aps-c sensor. The rest of the competition was doing m4/3. I remember you could pick up the kit for around $250 or so shortly after it came out.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by ISL on Thursday May 31, 2018 @02:32PM (#17198822)
The 22mm f/2 is awesome. Even people who know optics well dismiss it as a toy on sight, but the image quality is great. The M is at its best with the 22 f/2. Small, unobtrusive, and capable.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by ddrmaxgt37 on Thursday May 31, 2018 @07:39PM (#17201308)
I really miss keeping my camera on and just tapping the shutter release for the camera to immediately turn on. Mirrorless is better for me in most other ways, but that feature still tempts me to pick up a DSLR again.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by msbarnett on Thursday May 31, 2018 @02:03PM (#17198548)
> Sony's incredible array of on-plane focus sensors and focus algorithms (Canon's DPAF may actually compete, if turned loose/optimized further)

I'm reasonably convinced that DPAF will probably work out better than Sony's approach in the long run – every photosite essentially doubling as a PDAF sensor seems more future proof than scattering 100+ dedicated PDAF sensors over the chip.

The problem with the latter is that if Canon can develop the software to really exploit DPAF (there's no reason in principle that you couldn't, say, let users chain together an arbitrary number of pixels into selectable AF points placed wherever they want outside of the extreme edges of the sensor), there's no good response with dedicated PDAF, because the more dedicated sensors you place on the chip, the more pixel gaps you create, and the more demosaicing algorithms are forced to infer pixel colours with missing mosaic values. There comes a point where the visual quality will suffer.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by shawnz on Thursday May 31, 2018 @03:19PM (#17199223)
> For a week at temperatures between -20 and -30 C, the 6D (and iPhones kept warm) operated normally while friends with mirrorless cameras suffered shutdowns.

This is clearly not due to the nature of mirrorless technology though, so I don't think it's fair to criticize the technology based on that.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by msbarnett on Thursday May 31, 2018 @03:54PM (#17199598)
I think it's more about the nature of battery chemistry and the relative loads SLR vs mirrorless setups place on batteries
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by ISL on Thursday May 31, 2018 @08:34PM (#17201543)
Yep, exactly. An SLR only needs a burst of power at the moment a photo is taken (and just before, to power the AF and exposure meter), while a mirrorless camera must keep the sensor and display/EVF powered continuously.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by bitL on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:17PM (#17198143)
I also think mirrorless is the future; I am now selling my Nikon/Sigma DSLRs and going fully mirrorless (Sony), as focus issues seem to be finally resolved and photos are now beyond good enough level, already in great/pro level.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by remyM on Thursday May 31, 2018 @08:10PM (#17201426)
Yeah, I went mirrorless. Loving it so far. Definitely the future here, I love the ability to modify my settings and it shows on the LCD, instead of having to chimp like I did with my old 1200D.

Picked up a NEX 5N, 18-55, 55-210, and 16mm for $200AU (~$160US).

Next stop: A6000.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by msbarnett on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:38PM (#17198345)
The current rumor is that Canon (and possibly Nikon as well) will reveal their first mirrorless Full Frame camera body at or just prior to Photokina, which happens in late September.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by msbarnett on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:56PM (#17197913)
Canon had an early lead in sensor noise (they bet big on CMOS early on when most of the market was treating CCD as the future), from the early 2000s up until Sony moved to on-chip ADC around 2009-2010 and Nikon adopted their sensors wholesale.

It's worth noting that Canon has moved to on-chip ADC and that there's now only around a stop difference in noise between their sensors and Sony's, but from 2010-2016ish, Sony was certainly far ahead of the game.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by giobox on Thursday May 31, 2018 @02:08PM (#17198603)
Exactly this. Canon had significant performance advantages in the mid 2000s thanks to their bet on CMOS technology when almost everyone else believed CCD had superior image quality. This really showed in the clean high ISO performance one got in their DSLRs vs the competition at that time, and it took a long while for competition to really catch up.

This reminds me when the first “affordable” DSLRs from canon and Nikon arrived - both 6 megapixel models (the Canon 300D/Digital Rebel and the Nikon D70). The D70 was the better camera in a great many ways, but many buyers still chose the 300D to get access to the incredibly good for the time low noise CMOS sensor. I can’t count the number of discussions I had with friends looking to get a first DSLR debating the relative merits of those two landmark cameras. A later firmware hack for the 300D that gave it almost all the features of the more expensive 10D made this debate very interesting as well.

The past 5 years are less impressive though, for sure, with the great sensor hardware from Sony etc.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by CarVac on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:31PM (#17198281)
Until 2007 Canon was far ahead of the curve, and they held on to parity until around 2010-2011. Shoot any camera from 2005 other than a Canon and the images will definitely have compromised image quality except in the best conditions, yet a 5D from 13 years ago still produces superb image quality.

Only starting in 2010-2011 did they stagnate in image quality for a time.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by bitL on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:40PM (#17198366)
I think the break point was around the release of D7000 (APS-C) which suddenly matched (and surpassed in dynamic range) the immensely popular 5D Mk II (FF), the default choice of videographers and fashion/wedding photographers. Around that time 5D Mk II (and to some extent 1D) dominated.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by snowwrestler on Thursday May 31, 2018 @04:35PM (#17199984)
> What lead are you talking about?

Market share. The estimates I've seen are that between Canon, Nikon, and Sony DSLRs, Canon currently has the largest single share of the market.

Prior to Canon's work with CMOS sensors in the early 2000s, Nikon had the SLR and DSLR market share lead over Canon. (And basically no Sony bodies at all back then.)

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by jonknee on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:17PM (#17197496)
Well that and there is almost no market for new film cameras.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by sjm-lbm on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:24PM (#17197588)
Right. Most advances Canon has made in SLRs (say, the AF upgrades the comment you are replying to above mentions) could be easily 'backported' to a film camera: in a real SLR, the sensor isn't exposed to light until the picture is ready to be taken and focus/exposure settings have already been decided, so it's not like those features rely on the digital image sensor in any way.

The reason why Canon doesn't make a film SLR that includes the features that bring their cameras ahead of Nikon is because they don't think enough people will want to pay for them. And that's probably right.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by jacquesm on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:03PM (#17197994)
The reason why AF for film is hard is because AF tends to move around the point of best focus and moving a lens is terribly slow compared to the inter-frame time. So you simply don't have the time to figure out what the ideal focus is while shooting film, especially not if camera and/or subject are moving, which is sort of the whole reason for shooting video to begin with.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by CarVac on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:27PM (#17198243)
Film still cameras, not film cinema cameras.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by jacquesm on Thursday May 31, 2018 @02:20PM (#17198716)
Ah sorry. That's a Dutchism, 'film' here is moving.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by kristoffer on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:42PM (#17198389)
You’re confusing film and video.

Anyway (D)SLR use phase detect autofocus in which you don’t have to figure out much at all.

Mirrorless is another thing.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by vvanders on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:26PM (#17197618)
I'd argue there is for Medium/Large format, but that's a whole different ballgame compared to consumer SLRs.

Last time I looked the digital back for a Hasselblad was ~$30k.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by exelius on Thursday May 31, 2018 @04:30PM (#17199930)
That’s a small market, and most photogs I know who shoot MF/LF film are using cameras that are 50+ years old (Hasselblads mostly).

A digital back can improve workflow, but quality is still better with film at those sizes. These are studio cameras through and through; and I was able to connect a Hasselblad to some el cheapo Chinese lighting setup I bought on Amazon a year ago. That’s backwards compatibility.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by evasote on Thursday May 31, 2018 @04:43PM (#17200051)
Yep - I have a friend who takes pictures of (very expensive, high profile) weddings all around the world with a MF film Hasselblad. They still can't be beat
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by splintercell on Friday June 01, 2018 @10:34PM (#17212299)
Hasselblad is like Montblanc of fountain pens, or Glock for handguns, at the end of the day, there is a leader in any field and they get exponentially high attention (because everyone can name that one leading brand name in any field), so they just charge that much more.

At the end of the day Hasselblad is only 6x6 (i.e the negative size), but there are many bigger format (in medium format) cameras available like Mamiya 6, Mamiya 7, GW690III (which is 6x9, twice the negative size of Hasselblad H1's 6x4.5).

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by anta40 on Sunday June 03, 2018 @11:54AM (#17220113)
Hasselblad is nice, and fortunately not that expensive these days (probably Leica gears are still costlier :p )

If you are looking for the ultimate medium format system camera, the obvious answer is Fuji GX680. It's waay bigger than the Hassy, and you can also put digital backs on it. The only downside is it's electronic camera, not mechanical.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by splintercell on Monday June 04, 2018 @08:11PM (#17233860)
I have a GW690II, have you used that one? Do you know how does it compare with GX680?
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by ekianjo on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:44PM (#17197775)
I think you can get digital backs starting about 8k for medium format TLR. But yeah, as you point out, higher end digital backs sell for a fortune.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by wl on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:16PM (#17198137)
Maybe the market for medium format film is better, but my experience with large format is that people practically give the gear away.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by lb1lf on Thursday May 31, 2018 @05:24PM (#17200429)
That depends. Sure, you can dip your toes in the large format pool quite cheaply (everything, as they say, is relative!) - but the fancier optics and cameras get pretty expensive pretty fast.

(Not to mention the cost of 4x5 or (shudder!) 8x10 processing; B&W is eminently doable in the home, but IMHO where LF really, really shines is with dias film - developing that at home is not for the faint of heart.)

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by jonknee on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:27PM (#17197633)
And in the scheme of things there is almost no market for medium / large format cameras (digital or otherwise).
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by ekianjo on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:42PM (#17197759)
Of course there is a market. Look at used cameras, they sell at very high prices. There is no "mass market", but there is definitely one with quite a few people willing to pay premium for high end film cameras.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by jonknee on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:47PM (#17197809)
That's why I said "in the scheme of things". It's a tiny business. I love cameras and will probably have a medium format digital camera at some point, but it's a tiny business that can't move the needle in a $34b company like Canon.

Put another way, if over night Canon had won 100% market share of all film cameras it would not be noticeable in the next quarterly earnings report.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by ekianjo on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:52PM (#17197878)
It's like saying Ferrari doesn't matter market-wise because they sell only a few thousands cars a year. The same goes for large format film photography.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by macintux on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:01PM (#17197973)
Ferrari doesn't matter market-wise.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by soundwave106 on Thursday May 31, 2018 @03:55PM (#17199606)
But Ferrari matters greatly in the luxury sports car segment. There's no sin in tailoring a business to a small niche.

Heck, I'd say "in the grand scheme of things", if you look at some of the data available (https://petapixel.com/2017/03/03/latest-camera-sales-chart-r...), stand-alone digital cameras "don't matter market-wise" compared to what has replaced them for a lot of people -- smartphones. Not that all stand alone digital cameras will disappear anytime soon (especially in segments like the DSLR market where the lenses can offer advantages for certain pictures), but the general purpose "compact digital camera" is probably doomed.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by bronson on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:26PM (#17198238)
If that's true then why does everybody know who they are?
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by gambiting on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:53PM (#17198477)
Why would there be a correlation here? Ferrari could disappear tomorrow, and it would have zero effect on the automotive market.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by bronson on Thursday May 31, 2018 @05:24PM (#17200426)
On sales? Sure. But the market as a whole? Ferrari is an outsize innovator, both in technology and design. If they disappeared, you'd notice.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by Finnucane on Thursday May 31, 2018 @02:05PM (#17198563)
A couple of years ago I bought a Hasselblad 503cx w/80mm lens, paid about $1000 for it. Also, a 50mm CF that cost me around another $400. So relatively expensive for a 25-year-old camera, but in inflation-adjusted terms about 10 percent of it's original price. Some desirable cameras still have some value, but a lot are going for pennies on the dollar.

I paid more for the 'blad than either of my 4x5's.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by vvanders on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:07PM (#17198034)
I think people who work in business side of large scale print would disagree. Granted it's no where near the scale of consumer SLRs but there's a reason MF/LF cameras exist.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by sureaboutthis on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:07PM (#17198038)
Don't tell the medium and large format professionals in agencies and art works around the world. They'll be shocked to hear that.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by jonknee on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:14PM (#17198113)
I actually don't think they'd be shocked, it's not like there's a ton of activity in the segment. They're crucial tools needed by small numbers of people.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by sureaboutthis on Friday June 01, 2018 @10:19AM (#17205511)
Sorry but you don't know the market and there is far more going on than you appear to be aware of.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by anta40 on Sunday June 03, 2018 @11:50AM (#17220094)
Well, there are always exceptions. Leica still make film cameras: https://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/Leica-M-A https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1082912-REG/leica_103...

No autofocus, no auto-exposure, and costs almost $4700 body only. Not something the typical film shooters will use, though :p

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by snowwrestler on Thursday May 31, 2018 @06:13PM (#17200793)
Sure, but Nikon and Leica still sell 35mm film cameras.

I think that because they were the dominant brands in 35mm in the film era, they still have fans today among people who still like to shoot film.

Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by ekianjo on Thursday May 31, 2018 @12:45PM (#17197797)
No need. Even film cameras from the early 2000s sell for quite cheap these days and take excellent photos. What matters for film more is the end medium, i.e. the film itself. The optics and sensors make it easier to take good pictures but that hasn't changed the game for film since the 70s, except for specific things like sports where having a camera that can take 6fps was a great feature.
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by cuckcuckspruce on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:09PM (#17198065)
I remember my dad going to all of our family gatherings and baseball/basketball/soccer games with his trusty Canon A-1. He passed it along with a few of the lenses he no longer needed when he moved to a Canon SLR, and it's been my trusty sidekick when documenting family gatherings and niece/nephew's baseball/basketball/soccer games (though it helps my {brother,sister}s{,-in-law} don't share pictures on Facebook - they want a nice scrapbook like their parents had for them).
Re:Canon has sold its last film camera by jacobush on Friday June 01, 2018 @04:22AM (#17203526)
Almost no - but what tiny market there is, is growing. My favorite pet project to watch right now is

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/reflexcamera/reflex-bri...