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Re:AI winter is well on its way by ehsankia on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:48AM (#17185144)
How can something be biased when it's listing facts?

Those are actual features that are available today to anyone, that were made possible by AI. Do you think it would be possible to type "pictures of me at the beach with my dog" without AI in such as short time frame? Or to have cars that drive themselves without a driver? These are concrete benefits of machine learning, I don't understand how that's biased.

Re:AI winter is well on its way by jessaustin on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:04AM (#17185206)
How can something be biased when it's listing facts?

If there are 100 facts that indicate a coming AI winter, and Brin just talks up the 15 facts that indicate AI's unalloyed dominance, that's definitely biased.

Re:AI winter is well on its way by ehsankia on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:09AM (#17185224)
First, what are said 100 facts? The article looks at fairly mundane metrics such as number of tweets or self-driving accidents...

Second, I'm not quite sure that's how it works. Like in mathematics, if your lemma is X, you can give a 100 examples of X being true, but I only need a single counter-example to break it.

In my opinion a single valid modern use-case of AI is enough to show that we're not in an AI winter. By definition an AI winter means that nothing substantial is coming out of AI for a long period of time, yet Brin listed that Google alone has had a dozen in the past few years.

Re:AI winter is well on its way by majewsky on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @04:18AM (#17186000)
> First, what are said 100 facts?

You cannot ask a generic question, then attack the answer based on absence of evidence for a specific example.

Re:AI winter is well on its way by Grue3 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @02:49AM (#17185627)
Can't speak for the other items, but these

>translate over 100 languages in Google Translate;

>caption over a billion videos in 10 languages on YouTube;

barely even work. Yeah, it's a difficult problem but it's not even close to being solved.

Re:AI winter is well on its way by SomethingStars on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @03:58AM (#17185901)
YouTube captioning in English works surprisingly well, the improvement over the last few years is huge. It still chokes on proper nouns but in general it mostly works.
Re:AI winter is well on its way by simias on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @05:35AM (#17186322)
I think it's a bit like self-driving cars in the sense that it's good enough to be impressive but not good enough to be actually usable everywhere. Of course self-driving is worse because people seldom die of bad captions.

Google's captioning works well when people speak clearly and in English. Google translate works well when you translate well written straightforward text into English. It's impressive but it's got a long way to go to reach human grade transcription and translation.

I think when evaluating these things people underestimate how long the tail of these problems is. It's always those pesky diminishing returns. I think it's true for many AI problems today, for instance it looks like current self-driving car tech manages to handle, say, 95% of situations just fine. Thing is, in order to be actually usable you want something that critical to reach something like 99.999% success rate and bridging these last few percent might prove very difficult, maybe even impossible with current tech.

Re:AI winter is well on its way by SomethingStars on Thursday May 31, 2018 @06:10AM (#17195202)
What's important to remember, I think, is that we should not compare YouTube auto captions to human made captions, because auto captions were not created as a substitute for human made captions - if it wasn't for auto captioning, all these videos wouldn't get any captions at all. They may never be perfect, but they're not designed to be, they're creating new value on their own. And IMO they crossed the threshold of being usable, at least for English.
Re:AI winter is well on its way by mijamo on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @04:38AM (#17186074)
Mh no it does not. It is just a source of hilarity apart from a few very specific cases (political speeches mostly, because of their slow pace, good english and prononciation I guess).

Every time I activate it I am in for a good laugh more than anything actually useful.

Re:AI winter is well on its way by dx034 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @07:35AM (#17186821)
It works for general purpose videos. Transcripts of any kind appear to stop working whenever there's domain knowledge involved. That doesn't matter for most youtube videos but is crucial if you want to have a multi purpose translator/encoder.
Re:AI winter is well on its way by rimliu on Thursday May 31, 2018 @09:36AM (#17196153)
A. Cooper had a nice example of this kind: a dancing bear. Sure, the fact that bear dances is very amusing, but let it not distract us from the fact that it dances very very badly.
Re:AI winter is well on its way by crummy on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @05:51AM (#17186377)
Google Translate is way, way better than it used to be (at least German > English which I suppose is probably an easier task than many languages).
Re:AI winter is well on its way by lispm on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @07:24AM (#17186763)
Google Translate of Goethe:

    Have now, ah! Philosophy,
    Law and medicine,
    And unfortunately also theology
    Thoroughly studied, with great effort.
    Here I am, I poor gate!
    And I'm as smart as before
word for word not completely bad, but then it breaks when we have to translate 'Tor'. Google Translate is clueless because it is unable to derive that here the 'fool' is meant.

It's unable to 'understand' that 'I poor gate' makes no sense at all.

Google Translate is the 'poor gate'.

Re:AI winter is well on its way by fvdessen on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @09:28AM (#17187452)
On the other hand Deepl gives translations for news articles that are of such quality that it allows me to read international news as if it were local. Definitely useful.
Re:AI winter is well on its way by lispm on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @09:55AM (#17187645)
DeepL is better, but it basically has the same problems. I understand both German and English - and I can easily detect where DeepL also shifts the meaning of sentences, sometimes even to mean the opposite. DeepL like Google Translate has no concept for 'is the meaning preserved?'.

You may think that you can now read German news, but in fact you would not know if the sentence meaning has been preserved in the English translation. The words itself might look as if the sentence makes sense - but the meaning is actually shifted - slight differences, but also possibly the complete opposite.

The translation also does not give you any indication where this might be and where the translation is based on weak training material or where there is some inference needed for a successful translation.

Re:AI winter is well on its way by dx034 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @07:37AM (#17186828)
Not sure if I agree. If you have some knowledge of the language is still mostly easier to translate the words you don't understand. Easy texts work, anything more complicated (e.g. science articles) not really.