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Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by csours on Sunday May 27, 2018 @04:42PM (#17168994)
For the sake of being a contrarian, there are two pieces of "glass" in a glasses.

I do wonder if simpler english will ever catch on

I do wondr if simplr nglsh wil evr cach on.

Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by gizmo686 on Sunday May 27, 2018 @05:04PM (#17169103)
Doubtful.

Also, I think your "simpler" transcription is actually less phonologically accurate.

For instance, I would transcribe the "er" in "wonder" as [ɝ]. In some dialects, it would actually just be [ɜ] without any pronounced trace of the "r" like sound. In actuallity, I suspect that it is actually [ɜɹ] underlying, and the two sounds just coalesce into [ɝ] when you pronounce them.

That is to say, the "er" sound is viewed a variant of the vowel moreso than it is a variant of "r". I have the same complaint about "simplr" and "evr".

For "nglsh", I just do not see any motivation to remove the vowels. It is true that English allows "n" to act as a vowel, but in "English", there is a pretty clear [I] (as in Igloo) before the [n]. Similarly, [l] could act as a vowel, but there is also a pretty clear [I] following it.

Finally for "cach", I can't really complain about this being worse, as "ch" is our way of writing tsh ( /t͡ʃ/ ), but if we are simplifying English, it would be nice to clean up this too and show the relationship between that sound and the t sound.

Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by CrystalLangUser on Sunday May 27, 2018 @06:48PM (#17169535)
Something that HN readers often don't understand is that being an engineer or having advanced understanding of a field does not equate having an understanding of linguistics, despite being a native speaker of a language. Merely striking out letters from words doesn't make a language or its spelling any simpler...
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by gizmo686 on Sunday May 27, 2018 @07:42PM (#17169797)
Not sure if that is directed at me, but I did minor in linguistics.
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by CrystalLangUser on Sunday May 27, 2018 @07:54PM (#17169828)
Certainly not at you, but at the comment you replied to and a lot of comments whenever linguistics-related topics come up here.
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by gizmo686 on Sunday May 27, 2018 @08:04PM (#17169864)
Thanks, although I am looking back at my comment and hitting myself for transcribing the vowel as [ɜ].
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by _red on Sunday May 27, 2018 @04:53PM (#17169044)
How long are we going to continually spell things like: knife, night, knight, thought, etc. When you add up the generations of wasted human effort in spelling words in such pointless ways, its mind boggling.
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by CrystalLangUser on Sunday May 27, 2018 @07:03PM (#17169603)
> spelling words in such pointless ways

Define "pointless". Each word has its own etymology, and if we're going to be honest here, the different spellings aren't _that_ complicated. Take it up with English's ancestors for borrowing words from many different languages, and then with more recent ancestors for the great vowel shift, among other things leading to change.

Language is never going to make sense. It's not prescriptive- we just make changes, arbitrarily, sometimes due to mistakes, and it either catches on or it doesn't. Trying to "fix" language is an impossible task because no one is making the rules. English in particular doesn't have a language council making decisions, unlike say, Korean. It doesn't matter anyways because "Standard English" is quite different than day to day conversation, and even in formal settings it's based on stylistic guidelines, not hard rules.

Just let it be- devising an _arbitrary_ method of attempting to corral an entire language is an impossible task. And any work would be undone within one generation anyways since languages evolve. Esperanto, a manufactured language, has already seen linguistic changes by its native speakers (kids who were taught it growing up).

Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by jacobolus on Sunday May 27, 2018 @04:57PM (#17169062)
Indefinitely.

If you want a history of attempts to fix it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-language_spelling_refo...

Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by twoodfin on Sunday May 27, 2018 @08:05PM (#17169865)
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by ekianjo on Sunday May 27, 2018 @06:37PM (#17169485)
Spelling comes from the root of each individual word. It makes sense to keep them written this way. Not everything makes phonetic sense especially in English where imported words are countless.
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by posterboy on Sunday May 27, 2018 @05:48PM (#17169275)
what do you suggest instead: naif, nife, nyve ..?
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by Zarath on Sunday May 27, 2018 @06:23PM (#17169422)
nife is fine
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by gizmo686 on Sunday May 27, 2018 @08:06PM (#17169875)
Why is there an "e" at the end?
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by asveikau on Sunday May 27, 2018 @08:31PM (#17169954)
I'm reminded of how English orthography has that weird thing where the presence of a silent E can seemingly change the vowel in the previous syllable. For example the Tom Lehrer song, "who can turn a can into a cane? Silent E..."

So a hypothetical "nife" would never be mistaken for "neef", as "nif" could be.

Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by Izkata on Sunday May 27, 2018 @09:02PM (#17170051)
Or mistaken for niff. [0]

(No, I didn't know this word existed before this moment.)

[0] https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/niff

Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by whatsstolat on Sunday May 27, 2018 @06:05PM (#17169344)
Move to a phonetic alphabet. E.g. Arabic.
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by posterboy on Sunday May 27, 2018 @07:06PM (#17169620)
We could also just add accents, diacrits to exhaustion to englissh letters. Without that in arabic you couldn't even tell /a/, /e/, /i/ apart, they are all aleph in word initial position. Our orthographie is phine, your pronnuntzashun is just lazy
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by kimmk on Monday May 28, 2018 @05:02AM (#17171392)
You can write phonetically on the Latin alphabet perfectly fine, for example Finnish does so. In the case of English, its a matter of standardizing the pronunciation of characters (considering it requires every English speaker to essentially learn to write/read again, just changing the alphabet to Arabic is almost easier).
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by bluedino on Sunday May 27, 2018 @05:32PM (#17169210)
There’s already a weird thing in certain cultures in the US - leaving out articles and possessives.

That mike car

Him going there

Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by walshemj on Sunday May 27, 2018 @07:03PM (#17169604)
That's a dialect all languages have them
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by empath75 on Sunday May 27, 2018 @06:44PM (#17169522)
Neither of those examples are leaving out articles or possessives.
Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by pbhjpbhj on Monday May 28, 2018 @09:42AM (#17172331)
"Spectacles! Glasses are vessels from which one drinks."

-- my school teacher

Re:Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016) by lttlrck on Sunday May 27, 2018 @06:10PM (#17169372)
I read ‘eve’ as ‘never’ multiple times while scanning your simple version...