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Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by unreal37 on Saturday May 19, 2018 @05:56PM (#17109927)
1800 edits on a single page in only a few years is essentially a sickness. I'm not a doctor, but that should be classified as obsession.
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by philwelch on Sunday May 20, 2018 @02:10AM (#17111469)
So, here's the Wikipedia page in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Galloway

The revision history is interesting to look through as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Galloway&o...

Many of Cross's revisions seem to revolve around removing unreliable sources (such as RT and Sputnik), integrating edits such that the verbiage flows better, and so forth. I can't find any edits that he's performed that were out of line.

It's also not especially interesting to have a high number of edits. For example, of Cross's most recent 50 edits, the vast majority are to a single article (which is not the George Galloway biography): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Philip_C...

The more I look into this, the more convinced I am that the bad actor isn't this guy, it's the Russian propaganda network who are mad that he's getting in the way of them using Wikipedia as an outlet.

Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by jakobegger on Sunday May 20, 2018 @02:54AM (#17111587)
That’s a very generous interpretation. Usually, when you find something that is not sufficiently well sourced, you add “citation needed” or mention it on the talk page or something. You don’t just delete entire sections that aren’t obvious vandalism.
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by notahacker on Sunday May 20, 2018 @04:39AM (#17111848)
You generally do on Biographies of Living Persons, particularly when it's controversial political figures and particularly when the material has a source which just happens to be RT
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by philwelch on Sunday May 20, 2018 @10:12PM (#17115767)
In my opinion, it's only fair to respond to hit pieces with generous interpretations. The internet outrage machine needs more coolant, not less.
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by jakobegger on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @02:15AM (#17124046)
That is a good point.
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by chris_wot on Sunday May 20, 2018 @02:57AM (#17111591)
The linked article shows quite a few edits that violate the Biographies of Living Persons policy.
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by crdoconnor on Sunday May 20, 2018 @07:44AM (#17112326)
I glanced through it and none of the facts removed seem particularly controversial. The editor simply put the fact back in and replaced the source.

Moreover, wikipedia doesn't ban RT as a source and correctly argues that biased sources can be legitimate if they are correct in context.

It seems these days that simply being an anti-establishment politician of any stripe instantly attracts accusations of Russian conspiracy theories. It's weird.

Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by muddi900 on Monday May 21, 2018 @12:43AM (#17116185)
That was the intent of Russian misinformation campaign; to create an environment where all sides stop trusting each other.
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by crdoconnor on Monday May 21, 2018 @06:09AM (#17117276)
If the intent was to have every idiot seeing Russian conspiracy theories around every corner then mission accomplished I guess.

Maybe they're going for a "boy who cried wolf" dynamic.

Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by dpwm on Saturday May 19, 2018 @07:30PM (#17110306)
If indeed it is one individual. With the intensity of edits it would not be at all surprising if this editor was in fact more than one individual masquerading behind a single account.
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by justonepost on Saturday May 19, 2018 @08:42PM (#17110540)
What possible benefit would accrue from doing something like that?
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by neffy on Saturday May 19, 2018 @09:00PM (#17110591)
Look at who get's the favourable edits, and figure out their agenda?

A stipend for the editor is small change to some of the financial types.

Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by StanislavPetrov on Sunday May 20, 2018 @11:02PM (#17115911)
Controlling the narrative through the use of propaganda? Its what governments and spy agencies spend billions of dollars doing, annually, around the world, in every format.
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by asdfaoeu on Saturday May 19, 2018 @10:21PM (#17110826)
Why would they pretend to be one editor?
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by wyclif on Sunday May 20, 2018 @12:03AM (#17111146)
To shroud and conceal their motive and activities.
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by pygy_ on Sunday May 20, 2018 @02:12AM (#17111475)
They'd be less noticeable as many accounts, and would get more than one voice in discussions.
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by notahacker on Sunday May 20, 2018 @05:35AM (#17111996)
And of course if you were orchestrating a shadowy conspiracy to denigrate certain figures on Wikipedia by subtle edits as opposed to an individual with an interest in politics and lot of time on their hands, you probably wouldn't use the same handle to copyedit political bios and vent your opinion on the particular individuals on Twitter...
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by dpwm on Sunday May 20, 2018 @06:58AM (#17112206)
Why not mouth off on social media? Yes, it draws attention. But it also adds legitimacy to the operation if he is not an individual. If a PR firm is making edits to Wikipedia, they get heavily frowned on. If it appears that an individual is doing it, especially one with a long history of good edits, they will be defended.

I don't have a particularly conspiratorial mind and I prefer coincidence until conspiracy becomes the simpler explanation. Just so it's clear we're not entering the unfundable fantasy realm, PR firms can easily afford a competitive salary for a Wikipedia editor just from one or two clients. As can think-tanks.

I can see how I'd set up and scale up such an operation. I'd keep the one editor to one account for reasons above. I'd probably have them be more like a newspaper editor -- they keep a consistent style across the edits. I'd offload the real work to researchers who dig up sources and to write the bits they want inserted and removed.

Look at the first edits by this account: they're on Jazz musicians and politics, and the political stuff isn't too biased. Eventually the cover of Jazz edits decreases. Maybe he started out as a Wikipedia editor and enjoyed writing so got picked up by one of the many many think-tanks that pay journalism money for advancing what will make their sponsors money. Maybe he's an internet sock-puppet. Snowden revealed that the UK has a unit that engages in such activities. [0]

This very site has not been immune from individuals who work for a very-well-funded, highly-litigious, politically-motivated organization posting op-eds that masquerade as thought-provoking articles. Sometimes they make the front page.

It so happens that one of the few handles that only post articles from there are paid to do so and have re-used a handle that as far as I could tell was only used to ask questions about lipstick on Reddit. It was also her real name and she was confirmed as head of social media at the organisation. This was easy to catch, because the only stuff they posted was from one domain.

Perhaps this is an individual living off passive income with a lot of time on their hands and nothing more they want to do. But perhaps this is somebody being funded for doing what they do.

I am reminded of Poul-Henning Kamp's talk "Operation Orchestra" at Fosdem 2014, in which he humorously outlines how entrenched interests could invade or could have invaded open source [1]

[0] https://theintercept.com/2015/06/22/controversial-gchq-unit-...

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwcl17Q0bpk

Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by notahacker on Sunday May 20, 2018 @07:16AM (#17112249)
Sure, nobody is disputing that PR sources can and do manipulate influential publicly editable media full time. But if you were trying to not draw attention to yourself and maximise the percentage of your time spent on edits that were strategically useful, it'd be hard to come up with a less practical approach than User:PhilipCross

(This is not something I lack knowledge of as a formerly prolific editor of UK politics articles. I reckon at least a quarter of MPs have had their articles edited by themselves or their campaign staff, usually in a very unsophisticated and obvious manner. One obscure elected Member of Parliament's biography appeared to have been mostly written, in good faith, by their partner, and that text was up there for a very long time...)

The irony is that some the figures complaining about User:PhilipCross openly take money for regularly appearing on Russian state media, and yet I still believe their politics isn't shaped by financial incentives.

Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by dpwm on Sunday May 20, 2018 @08:24AM (#17112431)
> The irony is that some the figures complaining about User:PhilipCross openly take money for regularly appearing on Russian state media, and yet I still believe their politics isn't shaped by financial incentives.

Because they are openly taking money. If User:PhilipCross is then it is most certainly not transparent.

Almost everybody you see on TV is being paid by somebody. There is a particularly grating employee of the Institute for Economic Affairs regularly appearing on the UK state and corporate media to talk liberating the taxpayer of the NHS. She's presumably not being paid by the BBC or Sky News, but she is being paid for appearing there by interests that would benefit from what she is advocating.

In this way, we see that the majority people providing their time on TV have an agenda. We don't naturally expect the same of Wikipedia editors, but maybe we should.

Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by wyclif on Monday May 21, 2018 @12:04AM (#17116053)
True, but my point is that many accounts imply (but don't prove) that there's a concerted effort and organized strategy that is bigger than a one-man operation. And that may be what they want to avoid giving away.
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by xorcist on Sunday May 20, 2018 @02:16AM (#17111484)
Wikipedia is number one on any Google search, with especially advantageous snippets on every search engine. It it hard coded into things like Siri. It's not hard to imagine the economical value of a bit of inside access to the platform.

There are several types of organizations with a big budget whose job it is to influence public discourse. It wouldn't surprise me if some of them were found to be in control of an editor's account in some way. The easiest way is probably to hire one, but seeing accounts are bought and sold on pretty much every other online service the possibility is there.

You just have to be very careful not to burn them. Sloppiness would probably look like editors working exactly the same hours every day for a decade without ever tiring, vacationing or being sick.

Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by dx034 on Monday May 21, 2018 @07:39AM (#17117618)
Depends on how you edit. Same with commits in github. If you describe issues very granular and commit for each, you can accumulate a lot of commits each day. Others might only get one a week for the same code produced. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Re:A Wikipedia editor's long-running campaign by rurban on Sunday May 20, 2018 @12:02PM (#17113345)
Less like a obsession, more like a paid agenda.

He is discrediting reliable anti-war (i.e. anti-government) news sources.