Re:An Ice Core Reveals the Economic Health of the Roman Empire
by acjohnson55 on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @04:28PM
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This was a very timely article for me, as I just yesterday finished the epic and excellent History of Rome podcast (http://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/). I found it extremely informative, and it really shed some light on the origins of many aspects of European history, that otherwise just seem peculiar.
Re:An Ice Core Reveals the Economic Health of the Roman Empire
by DanAndersen on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @07:44PM
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I'll latch onto your post to also recommend the podcasts "The Fall of Rome" [0] and "Tides of History" [1], both by Patrick Wyman. He's a PhD who specialized in Late Antiquity, and often looks at Roman history/society from the lens of networks, trades, and the movement of people and goods over time. The one caveat I have is to bear with him in terms of the repetitive/boring ads he sticks into the middle of his episodes. I like to imagine his podcasts as an audio version of a History Channel show -- at least what the History Channel was supposed to be rather than what it's devolved into.
Re:An Ice Core Reveals the Economic Health of the Roman Empire
by acjohnson55 on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @10:07PM
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Thanks for the recs, those look fantastic! While we're talking history podcasts, Revolutions (by Mike Duncan of The History of Rome), The Age of Napoleon, and Hardcore History are also great.
Re:An Ice Core Reveals the Economic Health of the Roman Empire
by rocketpastsix on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @11:51AM
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Check out the next series Revolutions by the same guy, Mike Duncan. Its absolutely fascinating and when he gets to the French Revolution he goes into so many sub stories and details.
Re:An Ice Core Reveals the Economic Health of the Roman Empire
by acjohnson55 on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @02:25PM
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Revolutions is fantastic. I actually listened to many of the early seasons before doing The History of Rome. It was truly enlightening to learn how the New World revolutions and French Revolution were interconnected. And it's also interesting to understand how the Roman roots of the pre-modern world and the precedent of the English Revolution informed all of the late-18th and early-19th century revolutions.
Re:An Ice Core Reveals the Economic Health of the Roman Empire
by abecedarius on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @07:28PM
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The giant spike around the time of Alexander's death is interesting (did they open some big new mine?), along with the relatively elevated level thereafter. It's as if the Hellenistic era and the Pax Romana were almost contiguous, with the crisis of the Roman republic as a passing interruption.
Re:An Ice Core Reveals the Economic Health of the Roman Empire
by noselasd on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @04:53PM
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Not sure why it's so far fetched ? Romans used industrial processing techniques known to put lead into the atmosphere, while other civilizations at that time did to any large extent not
Re:An Ice Core Reveals the Economic Health of the Roman Empire
by CoolAndComposed on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @07:19PM
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Just because we know the Romans used lead, doesn't mean they were the only ones or the only possible cause (both unknown unknowns). There's no contradiction, there's an unshared set of assumptions.
Re:An Ice Core Reveals the Economic Health of the Roman Empire
by 8bitsrule on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @11:46PM
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Well, your second sentence is true. But since the levels seem to rise and fall with conditions in Rome - a known polluter with known health problems from lead - it is a very likely source of those levels.
Scientists create hypotheses on the basis of information available to them; if more information arrives, the hypotheses are (eventually) adjusted accordingly. They're not meant to be taken as absolute assertions.
[0] https://fallofromepodcast.wordpress.com/
[1] https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/wondery/tides-of-history
which has the graph and a little more information than the nytimes article
They are commonly grouped together as phases of classical antiquity.
Scientists create hypotheses on the basis of information available to them; if more information arrives, the hypotheses are (eventually) adjusted accordingly. They're not meant to be taken as absolute assertions.