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Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by austincheney on Monday May 07, 2018 @12:14PM (#17013916)
That short article is heavy on opinion and light on substance. It leaves me with the sensation of social justice warrior.
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by dang on Monday May 07, 2018 @06:43PM (#17017080)
This breaks the HN guidelines by being ideological flamebait. Nothing good can come of this, so please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by tathougies on Monday May 07, 2018 @12:35PM (#17014111)
What exactly is wrong with fighting for social justice? If you’re going to resort to name calling at least choose a label that’s actually bad
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by UnpossibleJim on Monday May 07, 2018 @12:47PM (#17014222)
The problem with it, is that it lacks any and all due process. It's the same process that leads to lynch mobs and witch hunts. Its other names are mob rule, mob justice and vigilantism.
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by tathougies on Monday May 07, 2018 @03:05PM (#17015489)
I mean... no one has a right to due process in media and public perception, only in government dealings.

Only a repressive, fascist society would attempt to enforce a guarantee of 'due process' in public perception. I hope that day never comes in America, but given how liberally some people seem to take protection of speech and due process, I worry we may be closer now than ever.

Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by iron0013 on Monday May 07, 2018 @02:19PM (#17015050)
Wasn't aware that "SJWs" were hanging people from trees and burning them at the stake, thanks for the information
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by UnpossibleJim on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @11:09PM (#17027177)
Antifa... I think that's how it's spelled, anyways. Short for Anti-Fascist. A radical extension of the "SJW" logic, if you will. Any ideology, taken to the extreme, is ridiculous.
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by iron0013 on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @12:55PM (#17031426)
I wasn't aware that antifa was hanging people from trees and burning them at the stake. I myself am anti-fascist, and most people I know are also against fascism--aren't you?

However, anyone can easily find many, many, many examples of right-wing extremists in the United States hanging, burning, and committing other atrocities. Hm, weird, it's almost as if both sides are not equivalent, like one is much worse than the other...

Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by UnpossibleJim on Thursday May 10, 2018 @04:46PM (#17042811)
Being purposefully obtuse is, as always, charming. I'm sure you liven up any debate and bring new information to light. Thanks so much for helping me see that I was wasting my time with this conversation..... I guess you win?
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by iron0013 on Friday May 11, 2018 @11:07AM (#17047803)
Please don't troll and name-call, we all come to this forum for open and productive debate.
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by austincheney on Monday May 07, 2018 @01:08PM (#17014402)
Could you please be more specific as to your offense? I am not sure of the nature of your criticism.
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by iron0013 on Monday May 07, 2018 @02:16PM (#17015020)
What you just said does not make sense. Please rephrase and try again.
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by austincheney on Monday May 07, 2018 @03:20PM (#17015618)
That is basically what I said.
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by iron0013 on Wednesday May 09, 2018 @01:07PM (#17031558)
What you just said does not make sense. Please rephrase and try again.
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by tathougies on Monday May 07, 2018 @03:26PM (#17015680)
Calling someone a 'social justice warrior' in order to (presumably) cause insult is like calling someone 'stunningly gorgeous' to offend them.
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by austincheney on Monday May 07, 2018 @03:43PM (#17015833)
I phrased it in such a way to specifically avoid a statement of attack by calling it my personal feeling and further more I did not direct that description at any person but in response to the written article. In this regard I am thinking it is the label that people find offensive rather than the context to which that label is used.

Please correct me if I am wrong here. If every use of the term social justice warrior is immediately offensive then I won't use it again.

Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by tathougies on Tuesday May 08, 2018 @01:56PM (#17023029)
> If every use of the term social justice warrior is immediately offensive then I won't use it again.

It's not offensive at all.

> I phrased it in such a way to specifically avoid a statement of attack by calling it my personal feeling and further more I did not direct that description at any person but in response to the written article.

Ah, I see. you meant it as a compliment! In that case, good on you! It is a wonderful thing when someone stands up to injustice, and I'm glad you see that in the author of this article.

Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by rhcom2 on Monday May 07, 2018 @08:58PM (#17017915)
It's a pejorative.

> Social justice warrior (commonly abbreviated SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual who promotes socially progressive views, including feminism, civil rights, and multiculturalism,[1][2] as well as identity politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior

Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by austincheney on Monday May 07, 2018 @09:19PM (#17018054)
Pejorative is exactly what most people think when somebody introduces personal politics into technology, education, or business. Appropriate venues would be politics and law. People have lost their jobs for this.

There is nothing wrong with stating an opinion, but everything to its appropriate context.

Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by rhcom2 on Monday May 07, 2018 @11:33PM (#17018612)
I don't know what you're talking about. No one is criticizing you for stating an opinion, but for using a pejorative. You asked if it was offensive, I told you.
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by Analemma_ on Monday May 07, 2018 @01:08PM (#17014400)
If you're not already convinced that the term "social justice warrior" is now devoid of meaning, note this comment. I don't want to support a theocratic regime where homosexuality is punishable by death and criticizing the government or Islam is a criminal offense enforced by secret police, so I'm one of the SJWs now?
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by austincheney on Monday May 07, 2018 @01:16PM (#17014491)
I did not see any such evidence of MIT asking for your, or anybody else's, support though. The article just looked like an opinion calling for a boycott.

https://github.com/prettydiff/wisdom/blob/master/Avoiding_Tr...

> so I'm one of the SJWs now?

Please do not try to troll me. The article and these comments are not about you. I am not attacking you (or anybody else).

Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by iron0013 on Monday May 07, 2018 @02:17PM (#17015034)
Please do not accuse others of trolling.
Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by austincheney on Monday May 07, 2018 @03:33PM (#17015742)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

Please review the part of the comment I quoted. It is essentially an ad hominem in rhetorical question form. Attacks in any form are unfortunate. Pointing to and asking for the attack to terminate directly and politely is a generally preferred response, but if this is unwelcome then next time I will immediately flag the communication for moderator review.

Re:MIT Should Not Be Supporting the Saud Monarchy by DoreenMichele on Monday May 07, 2018 @03:34PM (#17015758)
heavy on opinion

It's an editorial. That's generally what they are are: Someone's opinion.

It is, in fact, an editorial published in the MIT Faculty Newsletter. A hundred years ago, the only people who would have read it would be MIT faculty. But thanks to the internet, now anyone with internet access can read this editorial.

If it were a random person on the internet having a cow about what MIT does as if people at MIT should care about their opinion, okay, fine, sure SJW makes sense as an accusation. But it makes no sense to act like the faculty of MIT are up to something questionable for expressing opinions about how MIT should comport itself.

Edit: I mean, it's fine if you want to express your opinion that 'Hey, this is not really HN-worthy.' Maybe that's what you meant. It certainly isn't what you said. Though that inevitably leads to someone quoting the guidelines as to what is appropriate to post here and linking to them and blah blah blah.