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Re:I am leaving llvm by peterashford on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @07:03PM (#16981919)
Whatever the root cause, the predominance of white males (of which I am one) in tech shows that there is a lack of representation of various groups. This ought to be blindingly obvious
Re:I am leaving llvm by rhapsodic on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @07:11PM (#16981958)
> Whatever the root cause, the predominance of white males (of which I am one) in tech shows that there is a lack of representation of various groups. This ought to be blindingly obvious

What I am well and truly fed up with is the implication that it is pernicious behavior on the part of white males that is responsible for this state of affairs. And that's not necessarily relevant to this particular SJW dustup, but in general it is what's implied, when it's not stated explicitly (as it often is).

Re:I am leaving llvm by peterashford on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @07:30PM (#16982065)
I agree that that sometimes happens, and I agree that it is not okay when that happens. However, I really think we need to guard against reasoning along the lines of "sometimes people are overzealous with identity politics therefore lets oppose all attempts at dealing with injustice". The problem with a lot of these debates is the extreme polarisation that often occurs. We need to keep minds open and not stop thinking just because some actors in the debates are jerks
Re:I am leaving llvm by zimpenfish on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:41AM (#16985921)
> the implication that it is pernicious behavior on the part of white males that is responsible for this state of affairs.

Historically, it has been, yes. Even today, there are pockets of white males who are virulently against anyone but them having access to their little clubhouses (cf GG for one prime example.)

Re:I am leaving llvm by rhapsodic on Thursday May 03, 2018 @10:47AM (#16986495)
>Historically, it has been, yes.

Not in the decades I have been observing this industry through my participation in it. In my observation, these past few decades the efforts to increase female and minority employment have far outweighed the rare instances of discrimination I've seen.

> Even today, there are pockets of white males who are virulently against anyone but them having access to their little clubhouses (cf GG for one prime example.)

If they're a "prime example", then why do I have no clue who you're talking about?

Re:I am leaving llvm by zimpenfish on Friday May 04, 2018 @04:21AM (#16993029)
> Not in the decades I have been observing this industry through my participation in it.

Also decades but I have observed plenty of discrimination.

> have far outweighed the rare instances of discrimination I've seen.

Might it be possible that you're not seeing the less explicit forms of discrimination? I know I certainly wasn't until people highlighted them.

Re:I am leaving llvm by joelaw on Thursday May 03, 2018 @08:10PM (#16991128)
It sounds like he's talking about GamerGate. Which, since they followed the old tech idea of race and gender not even being brought up in their ranks, indicates his opinion on most matters social justice.
Re:I am leaving llvm by ropeadopepope on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @07:20PM (#16982007)
What's not so obvious is why that's a bad thing. Considering the fact that millions (possibly billions at this point) have been spent recruiting non-whites and non-males in tech, there's no lack of equality of opportunity here.
Re:I am leaving llvm by peterashford on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @07:32PM (#16982078)
Monoculture doesn't foster a range of ideas. I work in games where having more women is great - we produce products that work better for more people and I find it balances out company culture
Re:I am leaving llvm by GiorgioG on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:02AM (#16985558)
I've worked in companies where that have been predominantly white males and companies that are not - I've noticed ZERO difference in outcomes between the two.

The fact of the matter is there are more white males that pursue computer science than women, minorities, etc. That doesn't make all of us professional white males raging racists/sexists.

90% of nurses are women. Why don't these social justice warriors blow up the social web with that "injustice"?

Re:I am leaving llvm by coldacid on Thursday May 03, 2018 @07:49PM (#16991022)
Hell, where are the social justice warriors trying to get more women to work as plumbers, construction workers, or garbage collectors? Let's see more women working in mines, while we're at it!
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Re:I am leaving llvm by dang on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @07:38PM (#16982109)
This breaks the site guidelines. Could you please do a better job of following them? "Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive," and this is a divisive topic.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:I am leaving llvm by ropeadopepope on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @07:43PM (#16982129)
Half this post's comments breaks the site guidelines as per that rule, but I will try harder.
Re:I am leaving llvm by dang on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @08:06PM (#16982231)
Yes, but it's a matter of degree, and what you posted was a degree worse.