I run my team's standup at 11 for the same reason. Some folks with stricter routines will still start at 9, others (including myself) start closer to 11.

The downside of this is that the 9am-ers don’t get a solid stretch of focus in the morning. Have you considered an asynchronous status-reporting thing instead?

Isn't part of the point of a proper standup to allow for synchronous interaction?

It's a called Jira, Redmine, etc.

The standup meeting is just a duplicate for ... reasons.

If you stick to that line of reasoning you might come to the conclusion that religious adherence to protocol is counterproductive. Don't let the agile coaches hear you!

By definition I gotta work 8hrs, we have one hour off for lunch, so technically if I started at 11am I would be around til 8pm :(

Are you sure you actually have to work 8 hrs?

I thought I had to work 8 hours, but then I had a problem with my neck/shoulder that caused me to have to do an hour+ of physical therapy exercises at home each morning, and i started coming in to the office later in the morning like around 10 am.

I found that I could still get my work done and do well. I worked 10-5 all last year while taking hour+ lunches and still got promoted and everyone was happy with my output.

Yes, I'm employed full time, work law requires 40hrs a week (afaik this is true for most countries) - right now we have time tracker cards for gate entry so the timesheet is accessible by the employer.

It's not as uncommon as it sounds and I'm in fact fine with it, but by the end of the week I feel quite tired. I quit my current place but there only the employer firm had access to the card timesheet data, which felt wrong to me... it was a stinky company anyway. Too bad I'll miss the guys, the team was pretty good.

You’d be surprised how many places track hours worked.

(Believe it or not, I’ve seen timecards in academia...)

I've never worked anywhere where I could randomly decide if "full time" was 40 hours a week or 30 hours a week.

Are you hourly or salary? https://www.listenmoneymatters.com/hourly-vs-salary/

...What??

What the hell does it matter??

If my employer says "you're full time, which means you work 40 hours a week" I can't just say "lol, I'm salaried, I do what I want, fuck you." nor can I say "lol, I get to choose my hours because I'm hourly, I only feel like getting paid for 30 hours a week, fuck you."

That's an extreme form of insubordination and it almost certainly means immediate dismissal.

Do you have to track your time where you work? Where I work we don't do any time tracking, as long as my work gets done everything is all good.

Yes, of course, absolutely, every place I've ever worked. Even when working for home.

I've had five software jobs.

Hmm. None of the major software companies around here track time. I know that it’s common at enterprise software shops where you are billing hours against CLINs and things like that. But it’s definitely not at all common at SaaS companies to track time.

Mine was a pretty big player and we had to track times like crazy (two separate systems and a third opaque one, plus I did one for myself to cover my ass).

But it really depends on the company, I worked in both scenarios. Sometimes I can't broker a better deal or find a better company and again, a good team or an exciting project may make up for dickhead management and their paranoid lack of trust.

I only worked for one company where I billed hours against CLINs, but I still had to track hours everywhere.

("Enterprise" and "charging CLINs" are hardly the same thing)

With a 30 minute commute, you are home at 20:30 and can stay up till 02:00. Same hours of freedom, just on a different time.

If you want to spend time with family that sounds a bit harsh, plus 30 minute commute in a big city is way too optimistic, but of course you're right that free time will not evaporate magically.

same here for flexible start times, except CEO still wants to see you punched in for 8 hrs, so come late stay late.

our core product is not software but mfg'd goods, so likely a carry-over from that mentality.