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Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by scyclow on Friday April 20, 2018 @05:31PM (#16888585)
I took the Empire Builder a couple weeks ago, and the Lakeshore Limited + California Zephyr last year. As much as I enjoyed the trips, I have to admit that they longer lines are incredibly impractical. Amtrak is operating at a huge loss per passenger ($32 on average)[1], and the prices aren't even that much cheaper than flying. It's viable for people with more time than money, but most of the passengers are just weirdos who enjoy wasting their time taking the train cross-country in 2018 (like me).

In any case, I'm sorry to see them thinking about nixing the dining car, since it was one of my favorite parts. The food is surprisingly good (if not over priced), and it's a great way to meet random people from around the country. Coming from the liberal New York tech-bubble, I definitely met a bunch of people I wouldn't have otherwise had a chance to talk to.

But at least they're not getting rid of the observation car! Sitting in it through the Rockies on the Zephyr was a great way to see that beautiful stretch.

[1] https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/transportation/privatiz...

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by shriphani on Friday April 20, 2018 @05:41PM (#16888654)
I took the california zephyr after 2 harsh years (professionally); from Chicago to SF.

So many inner demons were vanquished on that trip. That train route is truly a love-letter to America - the Colorado river, the Sierra Nevada, beautiful life-changing stuff.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by Balgair on Saturday April 21, 2018 @02:56PM (#16892746)
> That train route is truly a love-letter to America

Jesus, now that is a great line! You should write more poetry, or just more in general.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by imh on Friday April 20, 2018 @09:57PM (#16889604)
That sounds beautifully scenic. What time of year would you recommend for it?
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by f_allwein on Saturday April 21, 2018 @12:53AM (#16890040)
Everything you could possibly want to know about cross country trains: https://www.seat61.com/UnitedStates.htm
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by hn_user2 on Saturday April 21, 2018 @02:57AM (#16890310)
Seat61 has been an amazing resource for traveling the world by train. Until you just mentioned it in this context, I had never thought to use it for beta about train travel in the USA. Looks like I know what I'm reading the rest of the day.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by tspike on Friday April 20, 2018 @05:41PM (#16888656)
I don't disagree with your comment, but the thing that often gets lost in these discussions is that at least for the Empire Builder, people generally aren't using it to go from Chicago to Portland or Seattle.

Sure, a flight from Chicago to Seattle would be much faster and cheaper. But what about getting from Minot to Whitefish? Or Spokane to Wenatchee?

I personally use it 2-3 times a week to go between Bingen and Portland. Most of the people I ride with eastbound are going to Pasco or Sandpoint or Spokane, not Chicago.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by scyclow on Friday April 20, 2018 @05:46PM (#16888686)
That's a fair point. As uneconomical as it is for Amtrak, there really isn't much in the way of long-distance transportation options for people in some of these small towns.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by rdl on Friday April 20, 2018 @05:50PM (#16888704)
Bus? (Sometimes operated by Amtrak, even)
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by scyclow on Friday April 20, 2018 @06:06PM (#16888793)
Technically yes, but if I had to take a bus for 20+ hours I'd want to shoot myself.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by seanmcdirmid on Friday April 20, 2018 @10:18PM (#16889661)
I did it for 4 days (cross country for $49!) as a 16 year old. It is definitely an adventure.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by cc439 on Friday April 20, 2018 @05:59PM (#16888762)
Most of those trips appear to be under 3.5 hours each way... Why not drive since it's likely faster and cheaper than the train?
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by xvedejas on Friday April 20, 2018 @06:23PM (#16888852)
That's just about the distance that I prefer to take Amtrak over driving or flying (mostly I travel SF <-> Fresno). I can get work done, unlike when driving, and I don't have to deal with all the pains of getting to the airport early and going through security.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by tehlike on Saturday April 21, 2018 @12:35PM (#16892072)
Unsolicited advice: get yourself global entry.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by JBlue42 on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:03PM (#16894213)
Unsolicited advice: Not everyone is into sacrificing money to avoid bullshit security theater that has been going on for 17 years.

Trains have the beauty of being able to go to the station, hop on the train, hop off. No wait or lines. I've had great trips taking the subway to Union Station then a train to San Diego. If trains were more affordable, widespread, and faster, it'd probably help the US immensely.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by tehlike on Sunday April 22, 2018 @12:20AM (#16894694)
It may sound a bit arrogant, but global entry is 100$/5yrs, and TSA-pre is 80$ for similar amount of time.

If you are well-off to be using air transportation, it would be worth it. Though, I might be agreeing with you on the utility of excessive security check. As a foreign national, I can tell you that US requires 4x the security checks in foreign airports in inbound flights to US.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by xvedejas on Monday April 23, 2018 @07:33PM (#16908433)
I already have global entry / TSA precheck. My preference is still for Amtrak for certain journeys. Consider that flying SF to Fresno costs hundreds of dollars each way. Amtrak costs $30.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by tehlike on Monday April 23, 2018 @07:42PM (#16908485)
Sure i get that. But most cases global entry is a real time and stress saver.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by Spooky23 on Saturday April 21, 2018 @12:10AM (#16889933)
Trains generally drop you in the middle of a central business district. If you’re driving to a major city, you’re spending $30-75 a day in parking or driving to suburban motels.

If you need to be in Manhattan for more than 2 nights, the train is free vs a car given a 2 hour radius. That’s probably not the case for Minot, but it is for many places.

Also unlike planes it’s a no bullshit environment. No security theatre, no getting there an hour early. On some routes you can buy a ticket on the train.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by cge on Saturday April 21, 2018 @01:15AM (#16890096)
In my case: my frequent travel by train is around 3 to 3.5 hours one-way, on routes that would be around 1h40m to 2 hours by car. Using a $0.30/mile figure for driving, the train is around the same price, or a bit cheaper, than driving myself, so long as I am using multi-ride tickets.

However, the train is a comfortable environment for me to do other things. I can read, write, and do quite a bit of research work; I can comfortably use my laptop and usually have a decent internet connection.

If I drive myself, I can do very little else but drive during the time; if I have someone else drive, I can do some things, but it can be quite difficult and rather nauseating, no matter how nice the car.

Thus, my choice is usually between a 3.5 hour trip where I can pretty much do much of what I'd be doing were I not traveling during that time, or a 2 hour trip that will actually hinder the better uses of my attention: the shorter duration trip ends up taking much more of my time.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by DoreenMichele on Friday April 20, 2018 @07:38PM (#16889168)
Some people don't drive.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by xyzzyz on Friday April 20, 2018 @07:36PM (#16889163)
Flying from Spokane to Wenatchee is really not much slower than Amtrak. It's probably much more expensive though.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by dominotw on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:02AM (#16891275)
I take it from chicago to kansas city couple of times a year and I see lots of Amish people on the train.

Seems like a good option for people who can't take the plane. I would have never spoken to the amish if not for amtrak.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by theBobBob on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:46AM (#16891600)
My knowledge of the Amish is obviously rather slim but why can't they take a plane but can take the bus? I know I that they shun most modern technology suite h as cars etc but I would have thought if they can't take a plane that they also wouldn't be able to take the train.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by dominotw on Sunday April 22, 2018 @08:55AM (#16895961)
From what I gathered they live in communities spread across a small area of the state. They get on and get down at small towns that amtrak makes a stop, those towns are not served by airplanes. Not sure about technology thing though, never felt comfortable asking them about that :D.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by envoked on Saturday April 21, 2018 @01:23AM (#16890110)
Whoah, another Hacker News reader from Bingen/White Salmon?
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by fisherjeff on Saturday April 21, 2018 @02:17AM (#16890222)
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a lot of gorge residents on here
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by ta58787 on Saturday April 21, 2018 @02:53AM (#16890293)
At least one more
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by envoked on Saturday April 21, 2018 @12:22PM (#16892005)
Is there/would y'all be interested in a mini HN reader meetup? Perhaps over beer in Hood River? I settled in White Salmon late last year due to its proximity to outdoor activities without knowing too much about the area. I'm surprised there's an underlying tech scene. I guess primarily due of Insitu?
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by fisherjeff on Saturday April 21, 2018 @05:47PM (#16893607)
Yeah, Insitu’s definitely a big part of why there’s such a surprisingly big scene. I’m also always game for a malty beverage...
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by tspike on Monday April 23, 2018 @12:42AM (#16900567)
Sure, I'm up for it
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by Bucephalus355 on Friday April 20, 2018 @10:48PM (#16889748)
Huge loss? They cover 94% of their operating costs. The federal government only provides the remaining 6%.

What if a specific National Park, arguably of equal value to the Amtrak lines, generated 94% of its own money?

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by scyclow on Saturday April 21, 2018 @01:41AM (#16890146)
Hmm, looks like the data I cited was a bit dated. Amtrak mentions 94% for their 2016 fiscal year [1], which isn't bad.

[1] https://media.amtrak.com/2016/11/amtrak-delivers-strong-fy-2...

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by rayiner on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:12AM (#16891139)
The long distance lines are heavily subsidized by the northeast regional, at great cost to those passengers. Congress also covers all capital costs.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by lobster_johnson on Friday April 20, 2018 @09:17PM (#16889491)
I was considering taking a trip from NYC, since I like railway journeys. The NYC-Montreal (10.5 hours) and NYC-Toronto (12.5 hours) trips would be perfect... but they only have the café cars, which means microwaved, pre-made airline food.

Apparently Amtrak considers these to be "short-distance" journeys, which don't have dining cars. I don't know if these ever had dining cars, but the idea of spending an entire day with just frozen pizza on the menu is just out of the question.

And then there are the couch seats. Who wants to be in a couch seat overnight for 12+ hours? Sleeper cars were $1,500 (!) for the dates I checked. Coming from Europe, where trains are modern and super cheap, this was extremely depressing to me.

I just checked the Empire Builder for a random date in May, and they charge $2,000 for a sleeper car. It's a 45-hour journey!

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by ikawe on Saturday April 21, 2018 @12:02AM (#16889917)
I recommend packing most of your food. Sandwiches, granola, nuts, fruit, raw veggies.

Not exciting food, but better than microwave hotdogs, and even with a spartan meal plan the trip is totally worth it.

Also some routes have a stop over which gives you an hour or so to scramble for a hot meal.

Another pro tip for the thrifty, bring a blanket and sleep on the floor in the observation car.

Ear plugs help in case other people are hanging out, but usually it’s pretty quiet for at least 6 hours. You can wake up and watch the sun rise.

You can always grab a nap in your seat later, but I have trouble sleeping more than an hour in a chair, whereas even on a hard floor I can zonk out for hours.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by wenc on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:49AM (#16891610)
> The NYC-Montreal (10.5 hours) and NYC-Toronto (12.5 hours) trips

Budget 2 extra hours due to the border. It can take up to 2 hours to for the train to clear customs. Source: been there, done that.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by db48x on Saturday April 21, 2018 @01:04AM (#16890072)
From the price you were probably looking at the larger bedroom, rather than the roomette, which is generally half the price.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by lobster_johnson on Saturday April 21, 2018 @01:28AM (#16890123)
No, roomette. Chicago-Portland direct round trip, in mid-May, is $1,900 for the two-person "Superliner Roomette". I checked a bunch of possible journeys, and the cheapest round-trip roomette ticket was $1,000.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by db48x on Saturday April 21, 2018 @04:04AM (#16890461)
Ah, ok. You picked a day that is very crowded; the price goes up as the rooms are filled.

Edit: use http://biketrain.net/amsnag/amSnag.php to find a cheaper day.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by lobster_johnson on Saturday April 21, 2018 @12:27PM (#16892018)
I actually checked a whole bunch of different dates. Cheapest non-stop I can find using that biketrain.net page is $1,532 r/t.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by db48x on Saturday April 21, 2018 @01:33PM (#16892325)
You could drop that to $1118 by buying further in advance; check August, for example.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by lobster_johnson on Saturday April 21, 2018 @01:39PM (#16892358)
Still completely insane.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by db48x on Saturday April 21, 2018 @03:14PM (#16892859)
It's not obviously insane compared to driving. It's a 4200 mile trip, basically the length of Europe and back. That's a minimum of 6 days of driving, ~$400 in gas, 5 nights in hotels during the trip (at least another $500), plus meals (three fast-food meals per day could be ~$200).

Obviously you can economize on any of these at some cost to your comfort and sanity. But because you can read a book on the train, or play computer games, or work, or socialize (or all of the above), you can easily conclude that a modest premium is worth it. That makes the $1100 fare a bargain, and even the $2000 fare might be worth it.

The real cost is the time. Most people who get yearly vacations can count on two weeks worth, and most of them aren't going to want to spend half of that on the journey; they're either going to go somewhere closer or they're going to fly. And that's still $400 for a cheap coach ticket, 8 hours in the air, and all the suffering you can bear in the airports at either end. Plus a taxi at each end, or long-term parking. You do get an extra 4 days to explore Portland though.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by lobster_johnson on Saturday April 21, 2018 @04:16PM (#16893199)
Driving is not the alternative for me. Flying is. Chicago to Portland is a 2.5 hour flight for $180-200 round trip, make it 4 if you factor in transportation and security.

That's why it's insane.

Trains should be competing with flying. Given the choice between a stressful, polluting airplane and an environmentally friendly electric bullet train with meals, legroom and cheap overnight cabins, I would choose the latter. But it can't cost 10x that of a flight.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by db48x on Tuesday April 24, 2018 @02:19AM (#16910314)
I was extremely bored this evening, so I went looking for similar trips on European trains. I found a trip in May from Lisbon to Warsaw. Like the Chicago to Portland route on Amtrak, it's about 2000 miles and 42 hours. It has 6 transfers, including a 4 hour transfer from 10pm to 2am (ouch), and a few hours later a two hour transfer from 3am to 5am (very ouch). Only one of the trains has actual sleeping compartments. To match Amtrak I choose a private 2-bunk compartment on that train. I picked 1st class fully-refundable tickets on all 6 trains, again to match Amtrak. I've no idea if any of these trains have a dining car; I did see a photo of some vending machines. On the other hand, a ticket in a sleeper on Amtrak includes three meals a day.

The resulting price was $1067 for a one-way trip (the site couldn't find any return tickets). So even the high-priced $2000 ticket you saw doesn't seem that bad; that's the same cost as a trip of similar length in Europe.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by lobster_johnson on Tuesday April 24, 2018 @12:20PM (#16913960)
For multi-country trips, you want a European rail pass, e.g. from this site [1].

A 5-day ticket for the entirety of Europe is about $480, though you get a 15% discount for two people. If you're only doing 4 countries, it's about $360. For $968 you get unlimited travel for a whole month.

As for sleeper cabins, prices vary depending on the route, but it's often somewhere around $20-50 per night per person [2] for a private, multi-bed "couchette".

Comparing US states to Europe is a bit like apples and oranges, though.

[1] https://www.eurail.com/en/eurail-passes/global-pass

[2] https://www.eurail.com/en/plan-your-trip/about-reservations/...

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by lobster_johnson on Sunday April 22, 2018 @08:51PM (#16899698)
Correction: 4.5 hours, not 2.5 hours.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by lionhearted on Saturday April 21, 2018 @11:32AM (#16891776)
Go to the grocery store beforehand — they don't mind you bringing food onboard.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by starpilot on Friday April 20, 2018 @07:17PM (#16889083)
> I definitely met a bunch of people I wouldn't have otherwise had a chance to talk to.

To elaborate on this, Amtrak staff will seat you with strangers to fill up tables. Kind of excruciating for an introvert, but looking back I had some good conversations.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by scyclow on Friday April 20, 2018 @08:02PM (#16889246)
On the first night of my last trip I was really bummed out that they didn't sit me next to the group of Amish folks. Instead I had to eat dinner with a family from New Jersey :P
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by ekianjo on Saturday April 21, 2018 @02:37AM (#16890257)
Amish folks take trains? Isnt that against their principles?
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by Horseshoe on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:23AM (#16890984)
Not at all. They can take trains, just as some will ride as a passenger in automobiles, trucks, or vans. As long as they aren't sitting in the engineer's seat or doing the actual driving :-)
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by op00to on Friday April 20, 2018 @05:59PM (#16888761)
How much does the US subsidize air travel via FAA, airport subsidies, etc? What about road subsidies? It’s like somehow rail has to be profitable on its own, but not bus or air.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by jessriedel on Friday April 20, 2018 @08:27PM (#16889318)
> How much does the US subsidize air travel via FAA, airport subsidies, etc?

My plane ticket receipt contains fees for half a dozen various government costs, including airport fees and a general US transportation tax. The FAA is pretty trivial, having a budget of just under $10B out of total American spending on domestic air travel of more than $800B.

https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/docs/miss...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/207075/domestic-travel-s...

For all I know air travel may very well be subsidized, but you'll need to point to some serious numbers for it to be anything like the money that Amtrak hemorrhages as a fraction of its revenue.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by jcranmer on Friday April 20, 2018 @10:09PM (#16889633)
Most of the costs of building and expanding airports are not borne by the airlines themselves but by the public via federal, state, and local governments. Admittedly, most of the cost of railroad infrastructure is not maintained by Amtrak itself, but the Class I railroads are profitable enough to take on major projects like rebuilding their routes to double-stack container clearances themselves.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by sokoloff on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:28AM (#16891539)
The FAA AIP (Airport Improvement Program) grants typically cover 90% of airport improvement projects, with 10% coming from the local entities (state/county/town as appropriate).

That program is around $3.35BB of the $10BB total FAA expense.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by pzone on Friday April 20, 2018 @10:18PM (#16889660)
Expanding airports isn't done for free. Airports charge fees to airlines for use of their runways, and they lease the commercial space inside. Any subsidies that go on here are second order - certainly not $32 per passenger.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by jcranmer on Friday April 20, 2018 @10:48PM (#16889745)
Note that airlines don't reap the benefits of airport commercial revenue, and I expect most large airports make an operating profit, but I don't believe that many airports make a profit when capital costs are accounted for.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by jessriedel on Saturday April 21, 2018 @12:43AM (#16890017)
Numbers?
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by Retric on Friday April 20, 2018 @09:24PM (#16889522)
There are a lot of subsidies, but they tend to be individually small.

Essential Air Service subsidies Airlines serving rural communities which significantly increases overall ridership. Air Transportation Safety and Stabilization Act as just one example was 10 billion in loan subsidies after 9/11. Another example most Airports are heavily subsidies at least during construction, but so is some airline infrastructure like Indianapolis handing over $300 million for a United Repair shop. The military intentionally creates a huge stream of trained pilots without costing the Airlines a dime.

All of this is intentional so no one subsidy seem all that large, and adding up a thousand little pieces take enough effort that nobody complains.

PS: "Per passenger EAS subsidy in the 48 contiguous states plus Puerto Rico ranged from $10 to more than $977 per passenger in 2014" but it's only ~300 million per year so no big deal right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_Air_Service

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by mobilefriendly on Friday April 20, 2018 @08:10PM (#16889268)
For other modes of transportation, the government subsidizes the infrastructure but private operators compete on it. For passenger rail the government nationalized most of the system and operates a money-losing monopoly service. Major difference.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by wbl on Friday April 20, 2018 @11:33PM (#16889859)
The rail is not nationalized, the passenger service is.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by scyclow on Friday April 20, 2018 @06:09PM (#16888803)
I don't know the numbers, but I'd be shocked if air and bus lost as much money per trip as trains. Part of what makes the train appealing for the longer rides is that if you're taking coach half of the car is empty and you know you won't have to sit next to anyone.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by justin66 on Friday April 20, 2018 @07:49PM (#16889206)
> I don't know the numbers, but I'd be shocked if air and bus lost as much money per trip as trains.

Just a thought, but if you're interested in numbers, it's an eye-opener to look at how much money airlines have lost for shareholders, bondholders, and the government via bankruptcies. If passenger rail was ever capable of tearing chunks out of the economy the way the airlines are, it must have been a century ago.

From 2011: "The industry in aggregate has lost about $60 billion over the 32 years since deregulation"

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/12/16/143765367/why-...

I'm pretty sure airlines are one of those unusual industries in the US (like banking) that have throughout their existence lost more money than they've ever actually generated in profit and have been kept whole by the government. Sorry I don't have any hard figures on that.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by ComradeTaco on Friday April 20, 2018 @09:06PM (#16889461)
It's also worth considering that the American government has massively subsidized the airline industry. Trillions of dollars in defense spending for aircraft has propped up Boeing and its predecessors during hard times. That spending massively advanced civilian aircraft. Training pilots is another massive cost, which is mitigated by former American military pilots.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by ericd on Saturday April 21, 2018 @02:01AM (#16890185)
Keep in mind that bus travel is extremely heavily subsidized in the form of the government handling maintenance of the national highway system
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by throwawayjava on Friday April 20, 2018 @07:04PM (#16889019)
How do you define "loss" in this context?
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by scyclow on Friday April 20, 2018 @07:23PM (#16889113)
Net loss. So, if a ticket costs $10, and it costs the bus an average $12 per passenger, they'd have a $2 loss per passenger.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by throwawayjava on Saturday April 21, 2018 @01:27PM (#16892305)
But in terms of comparisons. That metric is really difficult to define for a roadway or an entire network of airports and the transit systems that connect them to cities.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by danielecook on Friday April 20, 2018 @06:08PM (#16888801)
My parents took us as kids on several long train trips. The trips are among my most cherished memories from childhood. We usually would train out and fly back. A few of the lines wind their way through the Rockies - the scenery is really beautiful.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by jlarocco on Friday April 20, 2018 @07:44PM (#16889190)
Do you know why they don't raise the price to cover the loss? $32 doesn't seem like a big deal for long distance transportation.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by IncRnd on Friday April 20, 2018 @10:02PM (#16889620)
They regularly raise the rates, and they keep losing money.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by fulafel on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:13AM (#16890957)
It's also viable for people who feel air travel is immoral due to its heavy climate change accelerating effect.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by Fnoord on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:22AM (#16891163)
> but most of the passengers are just weirdos who enjoy wasting their time taking the train cross-country in 2018 (like me).

If you waste time while you're travelling with public transport you're doing it wrong. For example, something like an e-reader is pretty thin and weights a few hundred grams and can hold thousands of books. Noisy? I bought half decent earplugs the other day for just 12 EUR. All you gotta do is take them with you. But you'd do that in an airplane as well. Add to that, airplanes are terrible for the environment; trains are less bad.

Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by kohanz on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:43AM (#16891222)
OP doesn't mean "wasting time" by doing nothing on the train. They mean the time you could have spent doing anything else by getting to your destination faster vs. extra time spent on the train.
Re:Want airline food? Take Amtrak by Fnoord on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:46AM (#16891230)
I get that, but that isn't wasted time.