News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by ianhawes on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:29AM (#16858054)
Donald J. Trump.

I would imagine this is not a popular opinion here, but he had the entire world convinced he would use nuclear weapons against North Korea. That has to have some effect on the North Korean regime.

Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by maxxxxx on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:39AM (#16858142)
I think he did the right thing by offering a meeting with Kim Jon Un. And he was the only one able to do it. If Obama had done this the Republicans would have thrown a total fit.
Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by north_east_dev on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:41AM (#16858164)
It's like that old Vulcan proverb "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by rainbowmverse on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:48AM (#16858817)
I like the original Klingon version: "Only Picard could go to Qo'noS."
Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by simonh on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:53AM (#16858272)
As they have over the Iran deal.
Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by cdelsolar on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:01AM (#16858346)
Which he did, and they did.
Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by swebs on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:44AM (#16858189)
>If Obama had done this the Republicans would have thrown a total fit.

Let's please not turn this thread into /r/politics

Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by simonh on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:55AM (#16858290)
Ideally we should be able to discuss political issues reasonably, precisely because we are not /r/politics.
Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by maxxxxx on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:46AM (#16858203)
I think I stated an obvious fact.
Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by sho on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:00AM (#16858335)
That category of statement cannot be a fact; it's your opinion. It might be true, it might even be obviously true, but it's not a "fact".
Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by Brockenstein on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:41AM (#16858745)
While I understand the sentiment behind your statement. I would have bet every penny I have that the republicans would have thrown a fit and I'd be retired at 36. It's about as safe a bet as the Sun rises in the east. But only because republicans pitched a fit about anything Obama had a hand in. It was predictability as constant as the Northern star.
Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by sho on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @02:40AM (#16865177)
Well naturally I agree with you. But words are important.

It's like if I state that The Beatles have, in total, more musical merit than Katy Perry. Well, that seems totally obvious too and one would be hard-pressed to find any sane adult who would disagree. Nonetheless it's not a "fact".

Maybe I'm being a pedant but these little things annoy me. Words have meanings, those meanings are important. Anyway, I made my point too many times over already so I'll leave it :P

Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by Jtsummers on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:33AM (#16858679)
https://www.vox.com/2018/3/9/17100880/north-korea-republican...

Conservatives saying exactly what they did (condemn Obama) when he offered essentially the same thing as Trump has (with regard to talking with North Korea sans preconditions).

Fact, not opinion.

Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by maxxxxx on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:02AM (#16858353)
What do you think would have happened if Obama had offered talks with North Korea?
Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by sho on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:25AM (#16858585)
That is not my point. My point is that statements that rely on judgement and include phrases like "I think..." or "you think..." have nothing to do with facts.

Consult a dictionary if confusion persists.

Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by maxxxxx on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:34AM (#16858688)
How about "based on my observation of politics over the last few years I believe that if Obama had offered talks with North Korea he would have faced strong opposition from Republican politician in Congress.". Better?
Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by emaginniss on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:50AM (#16858836)
Speculation is never fact
Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by wwweston on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @11:29AM (#16859222)
Well, I suppose the moral of the story is that if you want to be seen as the only actor able to address a specific issue, the most effective tack is ruthlessly depict the motives of the opposing actors as corrupt and thoroughly tribalize it until you have a faction that will distrust any effort others make regardless of its merits.

Then you're the only one that can make an effort to solve the problem. Neat.

Maybe someone else besides Nixon could totally have done what he did diplomatically?

> If Obama had done this the Republicans would have thrown a total fit.

It's an interesting exercise to consider what specific hypotheses for which the conditional didn't evaluate true.

Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by HenryBemis on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:43AM (#16858182)
If USA would use nukes against NK, (which borders China AND Russia) I have the feeling that the next nukes would have gone off to NY, or CA (or somewhere equally painful for the USA).

Horror/WW3 scenarios apart, it's most likely that USA-originated sanctions have absolutely nothing to do with this, as if Russia and China want to support the continuation of NK-regime, there is no way to force them to stop.

I'd say that pressure from Russia and China are pushing for the permanent resolution of this conflict. It's a tiny/annoying thorn in their sides, and sooner or later they will remove it.

Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by AndyMcConachie on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:04AM (#16858373)
I think you need to understand this kind of blustering makes the people of South Korea more afraid of the USA. It's not as if the history of the USA in S Korea is all roses and honeydew.

South Koreans don't want to be in a constant state of war anymore and they don't want to be occupied by US troops. My feeling is that most South Koreans want a merge like West Germans wanted to merge with E Germans. Look at some of the policies and statements made by their new President Moon, whom was partly elected on a policy of reunification.

Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by dba7dba on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:52AM (#16858849)
I disagree.

Is UK occupied by US forces? Germany? Eastern EU nations? Japan?

And let's not kid ourselves on why Moon was elected. He was in large part elected because of strong disgust (justified) people felt against the previous impeached president.

Moon was elected with 40% of the votes.

Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by maxxxxx on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @03:16PM (#16861399)
I was in Germany during the Reagan years and a lot of people were very nervous about him and the aggressive way he talked when he came in. It got better once he developed a good working relationship with Gorbachev.