North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official end to war

Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by maxxxxx on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:39AM (#16858142)

I think he did the right thing by offering a meeting with Kim Jon Un. And he was the only one able to do it. If Obama had done this the Republicans would have thrown a total fit.

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by north_east_dev on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:41AM (#16858164)

It's like that old Vulcan proverb "Only Nixon could go to China."

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by rainbowmverse on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:48AM (#16858817)

I like the original Klingon version: "Only Picard could go to Qo'noS."

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by simonh on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:53AM (#16858272)

As they have over the Iran deal.

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by cdelsolar on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:01AM (#16858346)

Which he did, and they did.

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by swebs on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:44AM (#16858189)

>If Obama had done this the Republicans would have thrown a total fit.

Let's please not turn this thread into /r/politics

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by simonh on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:55AM (#16858290)

Ideally we should be able to discuss political issues reasonably, precisely because we are not /r/politics.

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by maxxxxx on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:46AM (#16858203)

I think I stated an obvious fact.

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by sho on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:00AM (#16858335)

That category of statement cannot be a fact; it's your opinion. It might be true, it might even be obviously true, but it's not a "fact".

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by Brockenstein on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:41AM (#16858745)

While I understand the sentiment behind your statement. I would have bet every penny I have that the republicans would have thrown a fit and I'd be retired at 36. It's about as safe a bet as the Sun rises in the east. But only because republicans pitched a fit about anything Obama had a hand in. It was predictability as constant as the Northern star.

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by sho on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @02:40AM (#16865177)

Well naturally I agree with you. But words are important.

It's like if I state that The Beatles have, in total, more musical merit than Katy Perry. Well, that seems totally obvious too and one would be hard-pressed to find any sane adult who would disagree. Nonetheless it's not a "fact".

Maybe I'm being a pedant but these little things annoy me. Words have meanings, those meanings are important. Anyway, I made my point too many times over already so I'll leave it :P

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by Jtsummers on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:33AM (#16858679)

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/9/17100880/north-korea-republican...

Conservatives saying exactly what they did (condemn Obama) when he offered essentially the same thing as Trump has (with regard to talking with North Korea sans preconditions).

Fact, not opinion.

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by maxxxxx on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:02AM (#16858353)

What do you think would have happened if Obama had offered talks with North Korea?

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by sho on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:25AM (#16858585)

That is not my point. My point is that statements that rely on judgement and include phrases like "I think..." or "you think..." have nothing to do with facts.

Consult a dictionary if confusion persists.

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by maxxxxx on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:34AM (#16858688)

How about "based on my observation of politics over the last few years I believe that if Obama had offered talks with North Korea he would have faced strong opposition from Republican politician in Congress.". Better?

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by emaginniss on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:50AM (#16858836)

Speculation is never fact

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Re:North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official... by wwweston on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @11:29AM (#16859222)

Well, I suppose the moral of the story is that if you want to be seen as the only actor able to address a specific issue, the most effective tack is ruthlessly depict the motives of the opposing actors as corrupt and thoroughly tribalize it until you have a faction that will distrust any effort others make regardless of its merits.

Then you're the only one that can make an effort to solve the problem. Neat.

Maybe someone else besides Nixon could totally have done what he did diplomatically?

> If Obama had done this the Republicans would have thrown a total fit.

It's an interesting exercise to consider what specific hypotheses for which the conditional didn't evaluate true.

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