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Re:RSS is undead by jeremyjh on Monday April 09, 2018 @07:19AM (#16792020)
Surely Google Reader had numbers that influenced the decision to shut it down?
Re:RSS is undead by lunchables on Monday April 09, 2018 @09:29AM (#16792801)
Or just as likely the inability to monetize those users. Was there any indication that RSS viewership was dropping? I've been using RSS uninterrupted, every day, since the early 2000s. First on Google Reader and then, and now, using Tiny Tiny RSS.

I always find these articles about RSS being dead to be pretty funny, considering I'm usually reading them via RSS.

Re:RSS is undead by bastage on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:57AM (#16799555)
Thanks for saving me hassle of typing 100% of those same exact words.

When Google Reader went away I looked at a few of the hosted alternatives but found tt-rss early on and never looked back.

Re:RSS is undead by pythonaut_16 on Monday April 09, 2018 @10:43AM (#16793347)
Is there an active site for that?

https://tt-rss.org/ seems to be gone/down.

Re:RSS is undead by tlavoie on Monday April 09, 2018 @12:35PM (#16794531)
It's up now.
Re:RSS is undead by ArekDymalski on Monday April 09, 2018 @08:33AM (#16792414)
I guess that the decision to shut the Reader down didn't appear due to lack of users, but rather ambitions to shape the internet-news-experience by more tightly controlled, proprietary apps like Google Currents/Newsstand or maybe even Plus.
Re:RSS is undead by jerf on Monday April 09, 2018 @09:24AM (#16792762)
I think that's pretty likely, because compare the continuing grousing about Reader having shut down to, umm... those other services that Google shut down, whatstheirnames...

Of course anything Google shuts down gets an immediate scream of pain from some people, but most everything else they've shut down has died out since then.

(The other one I still hear about is Wave. Though that one seems to have a lot of people lamenting what could have been, rather than what actually was. For Reader, the complaints are about what actually was.)

Re:RSS is undead by simias on Monday April 09, 2018 @08:27AM (#16792373)
I'm sure they had, but what these numbers were and how they interpreted them is not known AFAIK. Google might have considered that RSS didn't fit with their long term plan for how the web would be consumed, I'm thinking in particular of AMP which has a certain overlap with RSS but gives Google a lot more control.
Re:RSS is undead by stryk on Monday April 09, 2018 @09:43AM (#16792874)
I see Google Reader mentioned a lot when virtually anything RSS-related comes up. I missed out on the whole RSS craze (prison will do that to you). But I have always wondered -- so many people lament the fact that Google killed it -- why hasn't anyone forked/cloned it's UI and feature-set? You don't want to just straight up copy it and wake the Google lawyers from their nests obviously, but why not make something that works the same way? Seems like that would be a popular project among the open source crowd.
Re:RSS is undead by naravara on Monday April 09, 2018 @09:53AM (#16792949)
> why hasn't anyone forked/cloned it's UI and feature-set?

There are clients that kind of did, but one of the cool things about Google Reader that a lot of people miss is the social feed. You could share articles you found interesting and your shares would show up on the feeds of anyone who followed you as just another RSS source. It's just an extra folder of articles from your GChat friends that you can read at your leisure.

And it's people selecting articles from their normal reading rotation, so it was refreshingly clear of clickbait. People usually shared stuff because they thought their friends would find it interesting rather than distributing content designed to "go viral."

Once the ecosystem fragmented nobody has the critical mass to replicate the social features. It was nicer than what Twitter or Facebook do because it wasn't in your face.

Re:RSS is undead by stryk on Monday April 09, 2018 @09:57AM (#16792972)
That sounds like... a fantastic idea! Why would they kill that off?! No easy way to inject ads into I guess (at least that people would be willing to put up with).
Re:RSS is undead by naravara on Monday April 09, 2018 @10:06AM (#16793032)
>Why would they kill that off?!

It happened back when "Social" was a big thing and Google was trying to push everyone onto its erstwhile Facebook competitor Google+ and it's erstwhile Twitter competitor Google Buzz.

First they killed the social feed and made the button auto-post to your Google Buzz account, but Buzz being a version of Twitter, had a lot more noise to signal so nobody used it that way.

They probably eventually killed it because they preferred having their development resources put towards more exotic social media efforts than maintaining a thing that didn't really make any money.

This long article has more of the sordid details if you're interested: https://www.buzzfeed.com/robf4/googles-lost-social-network?u...

Re:RSS is undead by digi_owl on Monday April 09, 2018 @11:34AM (#16793892)
Ah yes, G+, that resulted in the + being removed from the search field.

All thanks to an ex-MS "cookie licker" (the term was used by Google people after he left the company).

Re:RSS is undead by xtracto on Monday April 09, 2018 @12:13PM (#16794297)
So, you are telling me that a person arrive to Google, broke the internet (by replacing the well behaved + with the annoying "") and then left to leave things worse than they were? Sad state of affairs...
Re:RSS is undead by armandososa on Monday April 09, 2018 @12:20PM (#16794366)
dude! we want names
Re:RSS is undead by stryk on Monday April 09, 2018 @10:14AM (#16793096)
thanks I'll check that out
Re:RSS is undead by organsnyder on Monday April 09, 2018 @10:24AM (#16793185)
When Reader was killed, I switched to Feedly and haven't looked back. It took Reader's feature-set (at least, the features I care about) and has continued to provide a robust application for consuming news. I never used the social bits of Reader, though.
Re:RSS is undead by xtracto on Monday April 09, 2018 @12:12PM (#16794287)
I second that. I am an avid Feedly user and a paying customer. It really filled up the huge void in Google Reader. I use Feedly it to consume RSS feeds.

Although nowadays they hide the feature in the interface, it is possible to subscribe to a feed by just pasting it in input text box when you are looking for new content.

Re:RSS is undead by pinkano on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:01AM (#16799356)
thank you so much, happy to hear this. Petr from Feedly
Re:RSS is undead by jbigelow76 on Monday April 09, 2018 @12:07PM (#16794235)
why hasn't anyone forked/cloned it's UI and feature-set?

Somebody did, The Old Reader (theoldreader.com natch) was setup to be as close to Google Reader as possible. I've been a paying user since it launched shortly after the Google Reader shut down, very happy with the service.

Re:RSS is undead by PappaPatat on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @08:05PM (#16806884)
There is noway I could keep up with the number of sources I like to keep up with without RSS. Not providing a useable RSS feed as a site is a dealbreaker for me: I will not come back regularly, if at all.

I've been using the oldreader (what a blessing) since Google Reader died (what a shame).

Love the google auth integration (as soon as I log in to my gmail, all my subscribtions are available, no matter what machine I am on ATM), but I never ever thought about paying for the service since it is more then complete for me as it is.

Maybe I should since I truly appreciate it and have found 0 alternatives over the years (and no, I am not going to roll my own, nor host anything, nor install apps across all my devices).

Re:RSS is undead by armandososa on Monday April 09, 2018 @12:17PM (#16794332)
I tried The Old Reader as soon as it came up, but it was in an uncanny valley were it was not quite as good as Google's –or maybe I was just sad and feeling unappreciative– but recently I rediscovered it and became a paying user within the hour. I just wish I have saved my 500+ subscriptions OPML somewhere.
Re:RSS is undead by BeetleB on Monday April 09, 2018 @10:59AM (#16793497)
>I see Google Reader mentioned a lot when virtually anything RSS-related comes up.

As someone who relied on RSS for years, and did not use Google Reader, this equivalency between RSS and Google Reader annoys me greatly. Google didn't kill RSS. RSS is alive and well - almost all sites have a feed.

I used to have an RSS reader set up on my own server. For people who do not want to do that, just use an RSS software on your machine and update once a day.

Re:RSS is undead by digi_owl on Monday April 09, 2018 @11:35AM (#16793908)
I get similar annoyance with how gmail and email is now "synonymous", much thanks to the heavy handed nature of the gmail "spam" filer (anything not from a big name provider gets automatically binned, apparently).
Re:RSS is undead by da02 on Monday April 09, 2018 @11:41AM (#16793964)
Prison? Are you talking about marriage or a soul-less corp. job? May I ask what were you in for? Was it a low-security "resort" prison?
Re:RSS is undead by stryk on Monday April 09, 2018 @05:36PM (#16797213)
I wish it was just a soul sucking corporate job. At least you get paid more than 33 cents an hour for doing those jobs. but alas, no this was actual prison, and nothing so luxurious as Bernie Madoff's Camp Fluffy. This was prison prison in Michigan City, Indiana (and the last 6 months I was transferred to Pendelton, IN). I was down for 3 years of a 6 year sentence for 2 charges: Conspiracy to Distribute or Manufacture, and Trafficking in a Controlled Substance. This was before they switched from a 'Class A-B-C-D' felony classification system to a 'Level 1-2-3-4' system, so my 2 charges were a Class C and a Class B (effectively a Level 3 and a Level 2 nowadays). TLDR; I was a drug dealer. For a long time. I was extremely good at it. I sold all of them, but the ones I ended up being charged with were Heroin (at least 10 grams, which bumped it up from a C to a B class) and 80mg OxyContins ("green hornets").

Incidentally, at the time, the laws were such that if my house had been located 200 feet closer to a school than it was, I would most likely still be in prison. I got lucky there, the laws were "within 1000 feet of a school" and my house was somewhere between 1100-1200, and even though I absolutely NEVER sold anything out of my house it would not have mattered. The prosecutor went so far as to send surveyors to my property and dig up the blueprints of my house from City Hall and measure out the property lines and distances. I think I saw steam shoot out of that lady's ears when my lawyer read the surveyor's report in court. She was pissed.

Re:RSS is undead by da02 on Monday April 09, 2018 @11:02PM (#16798702)
Well congratulations on making it out and getting out of that business. Were you assaulted in prison? Why were you good at drug dealer? (I thought most drug dealers make little income...unless it's wholesaling.)
Re:RSS is undead by stryk on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @12:02AM (#16798893)
[I can only speak for what I experienced personally, and what facilities I was in and passed thru along the way. It varies from place-to-place and state-to-state based on many factors]

Assaulted no. Did I have to fight? You bet. Inside, if you don't protect yourself and/or stand up for what's rightfully yours then you're not going to have a good time at all. At some point someone who is bigger, stronger, tougher, whatever than you _IS_ going to attempt to take all your shit. It's more of a test than anything else, to see what you will let people get away with. If you don't stand up for yourself, well, prison is full of predators especially if you're in a medium or higher security facility. This does not apply if your charges are for anything to do with hurting children or extreme violence against women -- in that case they're never going to stop coming... ever.

Word from the older guys who had been in there for a long time is that prison isn't what it once was in the 70's and 80's. Bad inmate on inmate assaults is almost always gang related, forcible rape doesn't really happen [at least in the facilities I was in and passed thru along the way] because they don't really have to do that -- there are plenty of willing participants (with exceptions for internal gang retaliation, but it would have to be something major). Another big change that reduced a lot of violence was they started giving people additional criminal charges, "outside cases" to use prison parlance, for crimes they commit inside such as stabbings, murders, serious contraband, etc. instead of just doing internal institutional discipline. This also cut way down on inmate vs. corrections officer violence -- stabbing a guard now became attempted murder of a law enforcement official -- an A felony, 20 more years to your sentence minimum.

That's not to say it's fun or peaceful or anything, it's still prison, still a city within walls segregated intensely by race and where you grew up, and there are some truly messed up people in there. It's 90% boredom 5% loneliness, and 5% small bouts of intense violence. But if you carry yourself with dignity, don't do anything stupid, and don't back down when challenged (particularly over something petty) you'll be allright.

Re:RSS is undead by da02 on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @11:43AM (#16802196)
Thanks again for answering.
Re:RSS is undead by pjmlp on Monday April 09, 2018 @10:59AM (#16793502)
I never understood why use a browser for doing something that should naturally be done in a native app.

Shutting down Reader had zero effect on my RSS reading habits.

Re:RSS is undead by armandososa on Monday April 09, 2018 @12:14PM (#16794308)
Oh no, no, no, no. You're reading web things, you need it inside a browser. You middle click a link and it opens inside a new tab, just like that. Native clients and their embedded web views never work the way you expect them to be, and ugh, there's a link to something inside facebook and I'm not logged in... should I go back and right click -> "Open in browser", nah, forget it.

That's why I'm happy to rediscover the old reader. It is not only not a native app, it doesn't try to act like one.

Re:RSS is undead by kqr on Monday April 09, 2018 @04:25PM (#16796658)
This issue must exist only in poorly made apps, no? At least Android is designed such that it should be natural to navigate views across different apps as though they belonged to one. Apps aren't really emphasised under the hood as much as specific views are.
Re:RSS is undead by armandososa on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:31PM (#16797553)
Maybe it is a desktop versus mobile thing? I prefer a web app in the desktop, but yeah, a native app makes more sense in web.
Re:RSS is undead by pjmlp on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:26PM (#16796131)
I did not say anything about web views, I just stated using native apps.

Webviews are unwelcome.