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Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by kzrdude on Sunday April 08, 2018 @07:43AM (#16785709)
Norway is in an ideal position; a surplus from oil money and excessive access to hydro power. I would hope they can use their current oil prosperity to prepare for a hydro (and other green energy) powered future, in all kinds of new places.

After I typed that I realized that the whole world could be said to be in oil prosperity still, so the same applies to us all: with less evenly distributed oil prosperity, and not every species of green energy available everywhere.

Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by notatoad on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:21PM (#16788484)
Norway is already well prepared for a green energy future. Statoil, their state-owned energy company, is a leader in offshore wind power and the whole country has been shifting to green power for some time.
Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday April 08, 2018 @09:20PM (#16789581)
Washington state gets 90 or so percent of its electricity from hydro. It isn’t that unusual, there are already a few hydro states in the world besides Norway, and one or two thermal states as well.
Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by poulsbohemian on Monday April 09, 2018 @12:00PM (#16794158)
Hello Sean -

It wouldn't surprise me if we were at 90% at one point, but at least according to this: https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/habitat/planning/energy/hyd..., we're presently only at 75%. Your point still stands - we have a lot of hydro here, and an increasing amount of wind power, especially in Eastern Washington. I went to look into it because I'm always surprised how much of my own (Pacific Power) bill is from coal / non-renewable sources, given that I live within an hour drive to the Columbia and am surrounded by wind farms. I'm told at one point in history (1970s?) Grant county in WA and Umatilla county in Oregon had the cheapest power in the country and were on some kind of 99-year price freeze, all from hydro, but I don't know the specifics.

Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by seanmcdirmid on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:39PM (#16796255)
It was great until the California energy crisis in the early 00s, then everything started breaking down as the grid acts to equalize pricing in the entire region. Still cheaper than California, not as cheap as it used to be :p.
Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by kwhitefoot on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:48AM (#16791876)
> excessive access to hydro power.

Not at current levels of consumption and production.

We are about 98% hydro now and it's probably going down as more people use more energy.

But you are still correct, Norway is the ideal country to try this and it is an explicit aim of the government now to have all short haul flights electric by 2050. We already have electric ferries on the fjords, electric buses, and, of course, a lot of electric cars (more than 100 thousand electric cars in Norway now).

Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by FiveSquared on Sunday April 08, 2018 @12:20PM (#16786806)
But that will never happen in the USA due to the influence of the oil industry.
Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by adventured on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:53PM (#16788673)
US wind energy production has increased eight fold in 12 years. The US has greater wind energy production capacity per capita than Norway does for example.

Hydro power is an impossible resource to perpetually manufacture more of. The US has heavily tapped out its potential in hydro. First it's difficult/undesirable to manufacture a new source of hydro once you reach saturation, and second it's arguably a terrible idea to do so when you have good alternatives to damming up a natural water flow.

The US is the world's #2 nation in wind energy production and is adding more wind capacity per year than any other nation not named China.

Let's put it into context with the parent's comment you're replying to:

Norway had 1,162 MW of wind capacity in 2017. The US had 89,077. That's a 76 fold gap. However there is only a 63 fold gap in the population size between the two nations.

Given Norway has a meaningfully higher GDP per capita than the US (~15-20% higher typically), it looks even worse when you consider the GDP per capita vs wind energy capacity per capita ratio.

The US exceeds the vast majority of all countries on per capita wind energy capacity, including Japan, Australia, New Zealand, France, South Korea, Italy, Belgium, China, Greece, Turkey, Taiwan, Poland, Mexico, Brazil. Overall the US is doing OK with renewables and keeps getting better by the year. It's obviously important that that trend remain intact.

Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by vilmosi on Sunday April 08, 2018 @06:48PM (#16788931)
Wouldn't a country with vast access to hydro power be inclined to not invest in wind? And why cherry pick wind power anyway?
Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by jacoblambda on Sunday April 08, 2018 @09:16PM (#16789552)
I believe they specifically mentioned wind because that was the specific form of renewable energy the grandparent was talking about.

As for why a country with vast access to hydro would prefer wind energy, Hydro requires large investments, is excruciatingly difficult to upgrade, interferes with local water flow and ecosystems, and in the case that either it is improperly maintained or a major accident occurs, can be very dangerous and deadly.

Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by Kimm0n0 on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @08:03PM (#16816923)
It is not cost-effective to build much wind power in Norway, because of excessive cheap hydro power. Statoil and Statkraft build them in UK, where the price and subsidies are more favourable.
Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by ubernostrum on Sunday April 08, 2018 @12:25PM (#16786837)
You may be interested in the Norwegian TV series "Occcupied":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okkupert

The premise is that Norway develops thorium reactor technology and ceases all fossil-fuel production. And then is clandestinely and later openly invaded by Russia, with the blessing of other countries, to seize oil and gas production facilities and forcibly re-open them.

Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by sitkack on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:17PM (#16788473)
Oil is always a liability. It would be better to claim you ran out. But the Russian subearth nuclear boring machines don't need to invade.
Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by na85 on Sunday April 08, 2018 @08:09PM (#16789287)
>Russian subearth nuclear boring machines

The what now?

Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by rlkf on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:48PM (#16788643)
Off-topic, but still: There are several frightening realistic aspects with that series, but the key premise - that the U.K. would willingly allow Russia to take control over one of its energy sources - is so utterly bonkers that it spoils the rest.
Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by kwhitefoot on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:50AM (#16791885)
> so utterly bonkers

You mean more bonkers than letting EDF and the Chinese do it?

Re:Airbus and Boeing are exploring the viability of electric... by paulddraper on Sunday April 08, 2018 @02:33PM (#16787511)
I doubt it. My observation is that if there is an enormous amount of money to be made disrupting an established industry with practical tech, it happens. Money trumps law in many cases.

E.g. Uber