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Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by brohoolio on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:11AM (#16762268)
12 changes a day is not an outlier for a newborn, it’s normal. My son is 18 months and we change him probably 6 times a day at least.

Diaper pricing is dependent on how many you buy at once, I buy giant boxes so my unit cost is low. If you don’t have $40 to buy the giant box, but only $10 to buy a small package. You are paying twice the unit cost.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by c22 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:44AM (#16763037)
I realized in my thirties that if I had just dropped $1000 on a pallet of razor blades when I turned 18 I'd have saved a couple times that. Way better returns than the actual "investment" that money ended up in.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by KozmoNau7 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:16AM (#16763714)
I bought a $30 corded hair trimmer and switched to a buzz cut (I was starting to bake anyway) and a full beard. I use maybe one double edged razor blade or disposable razor per month for the edges of my beard, that's all.

I haven't calculated the savings over the last 6-7 years, but it has to be a lot, compared to shaving daily and going to the hairdresser.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by JustSomeNobody on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:46AM (#16764336)
I can't grow a beard. Five days in and I give up. I do buzz my own hair though. It's super easy if you just use the same guard all over.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by KozmoNau7 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:44AM (#16764819)
Don't give up, it takes time. If I shave off everything, it takes around 2 weeks before it's pretty good, and a month before I'm actually happy with it. But now that I have it, maintenance is super easy, I just keep the edges under control and trim any stragglers and stray hairs.

All beards look scraggly as they grow at first, you need to give it time to properly fill in before you give up. If you can, let it grow wild for a month, resist the urge to cut or trim. Then you can start adjusting it.

The most important tips I got were to set the bottom edge right above your Adam's apple, make it mostly a straight line and feather it out, so you don't have a hard edge. Feather in the sideburns as well. For the cheeks, I prefer to keep them natural or just lightly trimmed, but it depends on how hirsute you are.

I buzz my head without the guard, to the shortest possible setting. I did shave my head for a while, but I decided it isn't really worth it.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by coryfklein on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:02PM (#16767312)
> Don't give up, it takes time.

It also takes the right genetics. Some of us will not have a real "beard" regardless of how much time we give it.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by evilduck on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:20AM (#16764606)
As a fellow bearded and balding guy, it's not real hard to use different guards, but the motions are new and using two mirrors to cut your own hair are awkward at first. You have to be ready to accept a short single guard buzz cut for your first 3-4 attempts. Having good clippers helps too.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by robert_foss on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:13AM (#16763697)
I switched to a safety razor 10 years ago, and ordered 250 science (not shaving) grade blades.

I still have about 150 blades left. The pack cost me <20USD including shipping from US->EU.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by fizgig on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:23AM (#16764115)
Got a link, brand, or model number for these "science" grade blades? I've been an on-and-off DE shaver for some years, and I've never heard of this option. I settled on Feather blades myself.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by mikelward on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:28AM (#16765180)
I guess they're taking about American Personna Super blades, which are commonly referred to as "Lab Blues". They're about 12 cents a blade when you buy them in packs of 100, which makes them one of the cheapest blades around.

There's lots of discussion on shaving forums about exactly why they're called "labs", but as far as I know they're just regular double-edge blades.

I also prefer Feather. They cost about twice as much, but work much better on my tough stubble.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by opencl on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:41AM (#16765312)
I imagine they're referring to the blades marketed for cutting up samples to put under a microscope. They're commonly sold in packs of 250.

Examples:

https://www.fishersci.com/shop/products/razor-blade-uncoated...

https://www.emsdiasum.com/microscopy/products/preparation/bl...

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by fosco on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:47AM (#16764346)
Also interested in link here. Also purchased large size feather blades a couple years ago still on the same box but running low.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by corey_moncure on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:47AM (#16764842)
I too use a DE safety razor and chose Feather blades after sampling an assortment. Is GP asserting there's something even better?
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by fizgig on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:55AM (#16764906)
It wasn't stated that the blades were necessarily better, but the fact these "science grade" blades were chosen over name brands implies there may be some benefit. This was totally new to me, and it sparked my curiosity.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by madengr on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:51AM (#16763900)
That’s funny. I have been using the same Gillette Sensor for 20 years. Off brand blades were available locally in the USA, but those dried up. Via eBay, I ordered Gillette branded blades “made in Germany” for a fraction of the cost of local Gillette blades. I figured the EU was not ripped off as bad as the USA for razor blades. Maybe that is not the case?

That razor recently broke, so it’s off to eBay again to find a replacement, since I have a box of blades. I refuse to pay for rip-off blades.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by astura on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:33AM (#16765232)
You're probably buying fakes, IIRC a study found the majority of name brand razor blades on eBay are counterfeit. Amazon has a counterfeit razor blade problem too, but I don't know the prevalence.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by HeyLaughingBoy on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:40AM (#16765876)
Probably, but if his face can't tell the difference, it's not a problem for him.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by conductr on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:08PM (#16767372)
Until he gets hep C ( /s kind of )
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by madengr on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:39PM (#16769000)
The recent off-brand ones available in the US will rust if left in the shower. The "German made" ones don't, just like the OEM Gillette.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by celticninja on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:19AM (#16763461)
yes but storing a pallet of razor blades isn't easy and from 18 - 28 (when you would be using these razors) you are going to move a lot, due to work, college, just general renting. So moving a pallet each time is probably inefficient.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by Iv on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:30AM (#16763500)
It costs money to save money.

Someone told me that mid-rich people often group together to have a grocery accountant who will do their bulk shopping for them and it ends up costing them less than a supermarket prices for superior products.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by ada1981 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:39AM (#16763543)
In Park Slope we have our food coop, which is co-owned by 16,000 of us and does just bulk buys of everything we need. We also voulenteer to work 3 hrs a month (I do childcare).

Our groceries are the freshest, localist, most responsibily sourced and affordable in NYC 20-50% off other stores.

FoodCoop.com

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by iambateman on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:01AM (#16765516)
Thx for sharing this. Really cool. Where I live, I'm pretty sure we don't have a coop...but I want one!
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by ada1981 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:42AM (#16765896)
We do about $50MM in revenue a year and also provide startup capital, training and voulenteer labor to help folks start their own.

Drop by for a tour and say hey if you do.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by moltar on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:16AM (#16763711)
Could you please tell more about this grocery accountant? Sounds super interesting. How does it work? Thank you.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by DanBC on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:31AM (#16763785)
Razor blades are small. Assuming parent poster shaves every single day of that ten years, and each blade only lasts for two shaves, they'd need about 1830 blades.

That's 19 boxes of these, which probably fit in a shoe box.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Derby-100-Extra-Shaving-Blades/dp/B...

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by dpark on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:39AM (#16764273)
Given that he mentioned dropping $1000, I'm guessing he's talking about cartridge blades (e.g. Gilette Mach III), that cost a couple of bucks each and take up probably 20x as much space when packaged. Still not that much actual space needed. A small moving box would probably hold decades worth; definitely if stripped of the outer packaging.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by distances on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:31AM (#16762354)
> 12 changes a day is not an outlier for a newborn, it’s normal. My son is 18 months and we change him probably 6 times a day at least.

You can start potty training a kid at around one year's age though, which will decrease the need for diapers. That age depends on a kid of course, in my family it has started around when the kids learn to walk so age of 1-1.5.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by pbhjpbhj on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:00AM (#16763363)
With my first child I decided pretty quickly I'd had enough of changing pooey nappies once we began with solid food; so we started at c.6 months with potty training. All the guides said don't even try until they're 2½ IIRC. At that age they can't usually sit up, you hold them on first thing in the morning, and any time you're changing them.

Worked quite well. I added in audio cues after reading some Elimination Communication (EC) info.

3rd child, 2½ yo, will now poo & wee in potty a couple of times a day, and can tell us when he needs it. A good strong feedback loop, positive praise, no negativity about lack of "production".

Cloth nappies seem to accelerate potty training too (we've done cloth and compostable, solely the latter with current child), I think they can feel they wet themselves more easily, better feedback. If the nappy is so "good" they don't feel wet then there's no intrinsic incentive and no feedback.

As we did our version of baby sign (with parallel vocalisation) from c.6 months our eldest was able to tell us he needed the potty before he could talk.

Breastfeeding seems to make a positive difference with nappies and potty training too, I think the child has a healthier bowel and so perhaps more control, less gas, etc.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by koolba on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:52AM (#16764382)
> Cloth nappies seem to accelerate potty training too (we've done cloth and compostable, solely the latter with current child), I think they can feel they wet themselves more easily, better feedback. If the nappy is so "good" they don't feel wet then there's no intrinsic incentive and no feedback.

Modern diapers are so good that they're counter productive to potty training. The innards whick all the moisture so the child's bottom remains completely dry until it gets extremely saturated.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by brianwawok on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:31AM (#16764715)
> All the guides said don't even try until they're 2½

That is absurd. I wonder if the diaper companies wrote them?

We did something like 18 months which is far less impressive than yours but was not rocket science or anything. Maybe cheap diapers helped, as they don't feel as dry?

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by pbhjpbhj on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:56AM (#16766052)
TBH I think that we probably started before we needed to, but poop in the potty means less mess for me to clean!

I suspect you may be right on both questions.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by kolpa on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:54PM (#16767213)
Ask your friends and neighbors. Did they also potty train at 18months?
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by billyhoffman on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:55AM (#16763339)
What? Potty training is dependent on physiological changes around muscle control. It is usually not possible before 18-24 months. I have 3 kids under 5, and 24 months is the earliest that interest to go on the potty started.

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/toddler/...

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by cullenking on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:01AM (#16764463)
I'm a parent of a fully potty trained 24 month old. Mostly potty trained by 18 months, with lots of reminders. It's not easy, takes absolute commitment. The moment you look at your phone your 16-18 month old will be hiding behind then couch peeing (at least ours did).

That being said, it's nearly impossible if you don't have a parent doing full time caregiving. No daycare will do it. My wife used to do it as a nanny, where she learned about it, but that's an outlier. Really not easy to navigate between you and your family or friends who have similar age kids!

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by stuaxo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:03AM (#16763980)
There are a bunch of people training them from very young, with baby lead potty training.

It's certainly interesting to see the difference between countries in all baby things, e.g. UK, US, Italy, France and Japan.

- How long kids are in nappys.

- How much food you are recommended to eat when pregnant.

- What foods to avoid when pregnant.

- What foods to give to babies and when.

These all vary massively from country to country.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by Amygaz on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:19AM (#16763733)
Sticker books. Just put books that they can't place and match stickers, always leave near the toilet. If you like sticker books, and who doesn't, you know what to do...
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by snovv_crash on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:00AM (#16763366)
Then how do Asian kids do it by age 1?
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by Someone1234 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:12AM (#16764536)
I assume you're referring to China, since "Asia" is a big and diverse place.

The Chinese use elimination training, or "potty on demand." You place the kid over the potty, make a specific sound they associate with going potty (you created the association previously) and they go. You then repeat this enough times in a day to eliminate the need for diapers.

I don't think elimination training is potty training. In potty training you're teaching the kid to tell YOU when they need to go, in elimination you are telling THEM when to go. Plus in potty training they're doing "active holding" whereas in elimination you're aiming for things to never get to that stage by going "potty on demand" enough throughout a day.

I think elimination training is very interesting and some parents have had great success mixing elimination with diapers to reduce the amount of accidents/cost. But even if they're trained on the elimination technique, they'd still need to be potty trained later, it just might be easier (since, again, you're asking them to tell you, rather than you tell them).

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by kolpa on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:55PM (#16767222)
It's elimination communication, not elimination training :) The concept, as you explain, is that the caregiver is alert to cues that a poop is coming, and moves the child to the potty.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by Aeolun on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:39AM (#16762388)
> 12 changes a day is not an outlier

> we change him probably 6 times a day at least

Does not compute... 6 times a day is not 12 times a day.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by sleet on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:44AM (#16762418)
You seem to have cut out the parts that make it compute. Try reading the words in-between your quotes.