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Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by muzani on Friday March 23, 2018 @11:53AM (#16659332)
This brings up an interesting insight that it's not realistic to treat "people as people". A lot of people have trouble interacting with the opposite sex. Or even with someone outside their friend circle. In an Asian village, people might freeze on meeting someone black or white.

They're not really assholes, but they get confused on how to act and may overcompensate. Is it appropriate to smile at a coworker of the opposite sex? Or to instant message them about work late at night? This can result in a lot of strange reactions.

Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by DoreenMichele on Friday March 23, 2018 @01:38PM (#16660601)
Is it appropriate to smile at a coworker of the opposite sex? Or to instant message them about work late at night?

It depends on your intent. If you are trying to be a creep and looking for "innocuous" ways to start moving in on an intended victim, then, no. If you are a decent human being with genuine respect for other people who isn't up to anything creepy, it's totes fine.

In fact, you should not be treating members of the opposite sex as "off limits" socially merely for being the opposite sex. This is a form of sexism and it insidiously closes a lot of doors.

So just be really honest with yourself as to why you are smiling at them or messaging them and if the answer is "I have plans that amount to sexual harassment," yeah, no. If the answer is "They are a coworker and that's how I interact with same sex coworkers," go right ahead. You're fine.

Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by gowld on Friday March 23, 2018 @02:20PM (#16661087)
You are absolutely right in principle, but following your advice requires a lot of introspection and self-awareness, but the reality is most of our actions are half-conscious at best. The challenge is in how to improve our automatic behaviors, and how to trust that they are reasonable.
Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by DoreenMichele on Friday March 23, 2018 @03:34PM (#16661838)
It's fine if you just like the person as a human being and are reacting in the moment. It isn't necessary to know ahead of time where this is going. We often don't. Life happens.

But the point at which you realize that you are a. Attracted and b. Trying to maneuver the person -- This is the point at which you need to have a heart to heart with your conscience. If you realize you want them and you don't really care if the feeling is mutual, then you are a creep. (The generic "you", not you the person I am speaking to at this moment.)

People do sometimes meet on the job, date, fall in love and get married. That can happen if both parties are equally aware of the potential pitfalls and both parties are equally looking out for the welfare of both people.

What separates a creep from an ordinary person who might happen to stumble into romance on the job is that creeps a. Make conscious and intentional plans aimed at a particular outcome and b. They do so with callous disregard for the other party.

Decent human beings who realize they have slippery sloped themselves into an awkward situation that might harm another start working to figure out how to avoid said harm. They don't have to be omniscient geniuses who can predict it ahead of time. They just have to decide to make other choices once the problem space becomes apparent.

Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by gowld on Friday March 23, 2018 @02:19PM (#16661074)
Life is full of mistakes. Try to be your best; forgive your past self; learn from your experiences; keep practicing.
Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by draugadrotten on Friday March 23, 2018 @12:01PM (#16659418)
Just to be clear, in case there are people actually wondering:

> Is it appropriate to smile at a coworker of the opposite sex? Or to instant message them about work late at night?

No. And no-no.

Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by kimdcmason on Friday March 23, 2018 @12:09PM (#16659523)
Wat? You just stated that it's inappropriate to smile at a co-worker of the opposite sex.

That's sufficiently bizarre that I assume you misread the original post... (I'm applying Occam's razor).

Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by Johnny555 on Friday March 23, 2018 @01:44PM (#16660669)
So I need to treat coworkers of the opposite sex and not smile at them? I can only smile to workers of the same sex? Isn't that a form of harassment? Can't I just treat all coworkers the same regardless of gender, sexual identity, race, etc?

Likewise, if the on-call engineer is female, I'm going to text or even call her late at night if I need her help.

Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by jakebasile on Friday March 23, 2018 @12:07PM (#16659503)
I agree about messaging someone of any gender about work at night (without prior agreement), but why would it be wrong to smile at a coworker no matter who they are?
Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by hermitdev on Friday March 23, 2018 @01:30PM (#16660512)
I disagree about messaging coworkers at night. I do it occasionally. Sometimes it's about something humorous, instructional or enlightening that I stumbled on while at home. Other times, it's serious and about work. I've had very productive and candid discussions with my CEO at 11pm. If I have something useful to share, I want to do it while I remember about it, instead of trying to remember the next day.

Thing is, when I randomly message someone at night, I don't expect a response, nor do I view my recipient unfavorably if they don't respond until morning or at all. Of course, it's different if the entire team is working late, but that's only happened a few times in the past 2 years I've been at my current company.

Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by Angostura on Friday March 23, 2018 @12:57PM (#16660131)
I'm going to carry on smiling at people, irrespective of gender. Sorry.
Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by goatlover on Friday March 23, 2018 @12:50PM (#16660049)
WTF? You can't smile at a coworker of the opposite sex? Since when? They smile at me often enough. It's a smile, which is a form of acknowledgment.
Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by wruza on Friday March 23, 2018 @01:33PM (#16660541)
So many different rules to behave. I just gave up and react to everything the way I am. If I’m not good enough, then at least it’s honest and as is.
Re:My daughter's disabled. Please don't look away from her by jogjayr on Friday March 23, 2018 @02:46PM (#16661353)
I don't think there's anything wrong about instant messaging anyone on a work-approved platform, about work, at any time of day. Expecting a real-time response is unrealistic though.