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Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by adventured on Friday March 23, 2018 @08:17AM (#16657180)
It'll hold so long as the economic output keeps rising, incomes keep rising, etc. The people of China will put up with a lot so long as that vague social pact remains. The CCP & Xi know that of course.
Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by mattnewton on Friday March 23, 2018 @10:29AM (#16658507)
Not only will China stick together, I’m afraid that people will start looking at them as a model to be followed as our own society scales to a billion people.
Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by remir on Friday March 23, 2018 @12:09PM (#16659525)
If by "our society" you mean the US, I seriously doubt it will reach 1 billion people any time soon.
Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by thisisit on Friday March 23, 2018 @10:04AM (#16658241)
I can't be sure but time and again doubts are cast over China's data: economic output, rising incomes etc. Local governments were recently encouraged to report if they fudged their numbers:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Economy/Chinese-loc...

Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by adventured on Friday March 23, 2018 @10:48AM (#16658691)
I largely agree with that premise. China's economic data is very clearly partially fake. They infamously have faked unemployment numbers for decades. They hide trillions in shadow debt. I just don't think it's that fake. We may be talking about 10% or 15%. Their astounding economic climb is well correlated in far too many data points to be, eg 50% fake or something similarly outlandish. The amount of oil they're importing, the military spending, the rapid advances in various industries, the general commodity consumption, the exports, electricity consumption & generation, etc.
Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by pizza234 on Friday March 23, 2018 @09:02AM (#16657580)
I'm not really sure of that - authoritarian regimes/dictatorships can also feed on fear and uncertainty (in this context, "uncertainty" would also refer to economical/political troubles), and many actually do (random example: North Korea).
Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by JumpCrisscross on Friday March 23, 2018 @08:42AM (#16657409)
> The people of China will put up with a lot so long as that vague social pact remains

Counterfactual: Venezuela.

Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by adventured on Friday March 23, 2018 @09:21AM (#16657767)
Venezuela?!?

Venezuela has essentially collapsed. Their people are starving to death and have been rioting in the streets for years.

2016: "food riots show Venezuela crisis has gone beyond politics"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/20/venezuela-brea...

May 2017 "Venezuela protests: 200,000 march against President Maduro as riots and looting spread across country"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/21/venezuela-protes...

January 2018 "Venezuelans Are Rioting Over Food Shortages"

http://fortune.com/2018/01/11/venezuela-food-riots/

Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by seanmcdirmid on Friday March 23, 2018 @08:51AM (#16657493)
Venezuela is far from stable ATM. The country could just implode anytime.
Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by duxup on Friday March 23, 2018 @10:36AM (#16658581)
Venezuela is so sad, and scary at the same time considering it didn't need to go that way and was "ok" before it took such a nosedive.
Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by adventured on Friday March 23, 2018 @11:24AM (#16659061)
It was the wealthiest nation in Latin America in the early 1980s, with a GDP per capita considerably higher than Argentina and several times that of Mexico, Brazil, Chile and Colombia.

Oil output peaked the few years prior to Chavez taking over and then began a persistent decline. Oil exports boomed from 1987 to 2000, going from 1.5m to 3m barrels per day. Under Chavez that collapsed by nearly 50%. Maduro of course has just continued the trend line.

Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by Yizahi on Friday March 23, 2018 @09:05AM (#16657603)
He meant that people are fine with their state even after everything collapsed. At least no major protests happened (really major).
Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by adventured on Friday March 23, 2018 @09:24AM (#16657798)
People aren't fine with their state at all in Venezuela. Major protests have happened, along with countless large riots.

"Days after the [Maduro] recall movement was cancelled, 1.2 million Venezuelans protested throughout the country against the move"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Venezuelan_protests

"Huge marches as Venezuela marks 50 days of protest"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/venezuelan-opposition...

June 2017 "Beginning on April 1, anti-government demonstrators have staged daily protests across Venezuela that continue to devolve into violent clashes with riot police, leaving thousands arrested, hundreds injured, and 66 dead."

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/06/months-of-anti-gov...

Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by JumpCrisscross on Friday March 23, 2018 @09:34AM (#16657890)
> Major protests have happened

The centralized economy enabled Maduro's government to co-opt food distribution and election security apparatuses to make the protests fruitless. TL; DR An organized dictator can survive economic collapse longer than one might expect.

"Voters who used their Fatherland Cards were given food at a quarter of the polling stations surveyed in December by Torino. At some other sites, voters were instead told where they could pick up the food.

After voting, Katerina Noriega, a street vendor in Santa Rita, was directed by Socialist activists to a warehouse to receive a couple of pounds of rice and beans, worth about 10 days of work.

'They bought our votes,” said Ms. Noriega, who acknowledged supporting the government candidate to get the free food. “I did it because of our difficult situation.'

...

The so-called Fatherland Card, using technology from Chinese telecom giant ZTE Corp., allows the government to keep track of who has voted. That permits officials to put pressure on food recipients if they are reluctant to cast a ballot, according to election experts, government critics and ruling party activists.

By law, the vote is supposed to be secret. But at voting centers in the capital, Caracas, and the westernmost state of Zulia during the December municipal elections, it was easy to see how the ruling party worked the levers of government to ensure that likely supporters made it to the polls. In a giant red tent, Socialist activists scanned voters’ Fatherland Cards. Using a computerized database, they could determine who hasn’t voted and what benefits those people receive. Government supporters called “patrollers” were then dispatched on motorbikes to the homes of food recipients to remind them of the benefits and convince them to turn out, according to a local ruling-party official."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/venezuelas-maduro-clinging-to-p...

Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by adventured on Friday March 23, 2018 @10:16AM (#16658370)
My guess on Maduro, is that he has less than 12 to 24 months left to live if he doesn't leave the country.

The average Venezuelan reported losing 24 pounds [1] of body weight just in 2017 from lack of food. The system won't survive much longer. They're at a stage of collapse where cannibalism will probably start to show up. People are flooding to Colombia and Brazil. The army will very likely remove him sooner rather than later. There's no cult loyalty system built up around Maduro as with someone like Kim Jong-Un for example.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-food/venezuelan...

Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by Bombthecat on Friday March 23, 2018 @11:03AM (#16658845)
In Korea they ate / eat tires...

A dictator can stay pretty long with enough force.

Re:China regulator bans TV parodies amid content crackdown by mikeash on Friday March 23, 2018 @11:34AM (#16659149)
That quote makes a strange fuss over the ability to see who has voted. Is there any democracy where that is not tracked? Certainly in the US, the list of who voted in each election is public. (Who each person voted for is, of course, secret.)