Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by mindslight on Monday March 19, 2018 @07:07PM (#16624213)

> We need to avoid treating deaths as progress in the pursuit of better things

Au contraire. Go read building codes some time. There's a saying that they're "written in blood" - every bit, no matter how obvious or arbitrary seeming, was earned through some real-world failure.

The death itself isn't progress, of course. But we owe it to the person to who died to learn from what happened.

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Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by pooloo1 on Monday March 19, 2018 @07:58PM (#16624618)

Federal Aviation Administration's Joint Order 7110.65 is exactly what you are talking about. It is the manual that Air Traffic Controllers live by. To include situations that involve diverging aircraft or taxiing instructions and how to handle said situations. The entire manual was practically written from real-world experience.

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Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by atopuzov on Monday March 19, 2018 @09:13PM (#16625073)

This reminds me of the story behind the iron ring and the collapse of the second narrows bridge in Vancouver, BC.

http://www2.ensc.sfu.ca/undergrad/euss/enscquire/Vol10No2/pa...

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Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by musha68k on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @12:21AM (#16626046)

It used to be the case that those “codes” were also written in the blood of the builders – as per the Code of Hammurabi.

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Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by daxelrod on Monday March 19, 2018 @08:32PM (#16624833)

You might enjoy _The History of Fire Escapes: How to Fail_, a talk Tanya Reilly gave at a DevOps Days conference earlier this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02KEKtc-5Dc

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Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by astura on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @10:25AM (#16628802)

Not just building codes, but a lot of car safety regulations and practices too. Stuff like crumple zones, ABS, breakaway road signs, safety glass, etc.

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Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by bigiain on Monday March 19, 2018 @08:08PM (#16624691)

You seriously think Uber wouldn't try to claim "commercial in confidence" or "trade secrets" rights to all the data from every single death?

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Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by mindslight on Monday March 19, 2018 @08:39PM (#16624882)

Clearly I think Uber is a benevolent entity that has all of our best interests at heart. Also, I eat babies.

Or, you know, don't jump on comments for their not explicitly addressing the hobby horse you're riding. Frankly I just wanted to express a better engineering context around the loss of life without getting into the political bullshit for once.

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