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Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by gaius on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:28PM (#16620548)
The ancient Romans would have the civil engineer stand under the bridge they'd just built while a Legion marched over it. That's why Roman structures are still around today!
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by jaclaz on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:41PM (#16620766)
>The ancient Romans would have the civil engineer stand under the bridge they'd just built while a Legion marched over it. That's why Roman structures are still around today!

JFYI, it is most probably apocryphal: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/18558/were-roma...

still it's a nice one, I have heard the same about engineers/architects in ancient Babylon and Egypt.

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by mseebach on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:54PM (#16620990)
Can't speak for the romans, but his seems legit enough, and predates the romans by quite a bit:

Hammurabi's code:

> If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction firm, and the house which he has built collapses and causes the death of the owner of the house, that builder shall be put to death.

> If it causes the death of the son of the owner of the house, they shall put to death a son of that builder.

https://www.fs.blog/2017/11/hammurabis-code/

Heard about it on Econtalk's recent episode with Nassim Taleb.

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by logfromblammo on Monday March 19, 2018 @02:30PM (#16621504)
A more verifiable story in a similar vein would be Frank Lloyd Wright standing under an exemplar of his "dendriform" columns, developed for the Johnson Wax Headquarters in Racine, laughing and whacking it with a cane as it was undergoing a loading test for the building code enforcement officers.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by gowld on Monday March 19, 2018 @03:09PM (#16622010)
That was one of Wright's famous leaky-roof buildings.

http://journaltimes.com/news/local/confronting-a-legacy-of-a...

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by logfromblammo on Monday March 19, 2018 @03:26PM (#16622178)
I'm not saying he was good, just self-confident.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by astrodust on Monday March 19, 2018 @02:12PM (#16621262)
A similar story comes from World War II where an alarmingly high number of parachutes were failing to open when deployed. They started picking random chutes and their packer and sent them up for a test drop. The malfunction rate dropped to near zero.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by flexie on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:45PM (#16620835)
Heard a similar myth about a Danish king. We was tired of cannons blowing up so he ordered the manufacturer to sit on top of the cannon when it was fired the first time.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by pferde on Monday March 19, 2018 @05:42PM (#16623503)
Something similar, but self-imposed happened when they moved a whole building in Guadalajara: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Matute_Remus#Movement_of...

"In order to gain the trust of the employees he asked his wife to enter the building while the movement was taking place."

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by sah2ed on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @03:52PM (#16631921)
For anyone who is curious like I was, there's a related episode on 99percent invisible that links to a YouTube documentary, although it's in spanish:

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/managed-retreat/2/

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by NewEntryHN on Monday March 19, 2018 @06:10PM (#16623722)
The comparison is odd to me. Somehow building bridges seems more of an exact science to me than making cars drive themselves. I sure wouldn't step on a bridge if its engineer doesn't dare going under it. Shit is supposed to stand up.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by gaius on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @01:31AM (#16626258)
And yet didn't one collapse in Florida just the other day?
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by aiCeivi9 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:02AM (#16626942)
Isn't that just survival bias? The good ones didn't collapse?
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by ranie93 on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:31PM (#16620608)
Do you know if this is factual? I've read that it's only a myth.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by nkrisc on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:34PM (#16620640)
May have been allegorical to describe what would happen to engineers if their bridges failed.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by golergka on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:37PM (#16620699)
Would they do it enough times for such observation to have any statistical significance?
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by recursive on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:43PM (#16620790)
That misses the point. If you designed a bridge, and you died if it failed in one trial, how would this affect your design process?
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by Smushman on Monday March 19, 2018 @03:26PM (#16622180)
I believe this method falls strictly under deterrence.

It is not possible to extract more punishment on an individual than their death, technically, unless you believe in an afterlife.

It is not punitive and meant to 'correct' the builder; it is meant to 'prevent' the builder from cutting corners.

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by emiliobumachar on Monday March 19, 2018 @04:53PM (#16623046)
"It is not possible to extract more punishment on an individual than their death, technically, unless you believe in an afterlife."

Not true at all. Not that I'd recommend it, but there's torture, and punishing family. They were far less outrageous in Ancient times.

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by nkrisc on Monday March 19, 2018 @04:14PM (#16622650)
Likely they were not familiar with the scientific method and statistics as we know it today.