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Re:Lessons from Spotify by nerdponx on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @09:02AM (#16536359)
For video they don’t have the same expectation.

I think this has more to do with the economics of pirating movies versus music.

When Netflix started, people were not used to torrenting (or Napster-ing, or Kazaa-ing, etc) movies. They were already at the mercy of Blockbuster, so being at the mercy of Netflix instead wasn't that big a deal. Pirating movies is more popular today, but people are still generally OK with having a limited movie selection.

Whereas by the time iTunes Music rolled around, people were already comfortable with having the whole world of music at their fingertips. You can't undo something like that easily. So the only way forward has been to try to have everything.

Perhaps the most interesting part about all this is that there was never (to my knowledge) such a thing as a store where you could rent records, tapes, or CDs -- Blockbuster for music.

Re:Lessons from Spotify by stdbrouw on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @11:15AM (#16537350)
> Perhaps the most interesting part about all this is that there was never (to my knowledge) such a thing as a store where you could rent records, tapes, or CDs -- Blockbuster for music.

Not a store, but you can rent records, tapes and CDs at most libraries.

Re:Lessons from Spotify by dexterdog on Friday March 09, 2018 @11:10AM (#16552707)
You can but the selection is quite limited.
Re:Lessons from Spotify by tzahola on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @01:03PM (#16538343)
Theoretically, yes. But I’ve never seen anyone actually do it.
Re:Lessons from Spotify by plussed_reader on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:51PM (#16540734)
Maybe you should get out more?
Re:Lessons from Spotify by jxdxbx on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @11:27AM (#16537443)
> Perhaps the most interesting part about all this is that there was never (to my knowledge) such a thing as a store where you could rent records, tapes, or CDs -- Blockbuster for music.

That is because it is illegal. 17 U.S.C. § 109(b).

Re:Lessons from Spotify by snark42 on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:11PM (#16538928)
> That is because it is illegal. 17 U.S.C. § 109(b).

It seems one could start a private non-profit library whose purpose is teaching about music history that rents CDs and promotes musical performances. I could call it "Musicbuster" perhaps. I'm assuming no one has done this because there isn't really a market for it? Or is that not a clear and easily exploited loophole in law?

Re:Lessons from Spotify by dragonwriter on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:15PM (#16538959)
> It seems one could start a private non-profit library whose purpose is teaching about music history that rents CDs and promotes musical performances. I could call it "Musicbuster" perhaps. I'm assuming no one has done this because there isn't really a market for it?

Even if there is a market for it, the nature of the legal limitation to a non-profit library is that the usual capitalist incentives for serving such a market are removed.

Re:Lessons from Spotify by btian on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:56PM (#16539284)
Does the "computer program" not include games?

Because Redbox rents games

Re:Lessons from Spotify by notyourwork on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @11:05AM (#16537278)
Can you provide any references for "people were not used to torrenting movies" or "pirating movies is more popular today".

I don't disagree but I also find these foundational to your argument and they appear to be perceived opinion.

Re:Lessons from Spotify by kakarot on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @09:32AM (#16536581)
> When Netflix started, people were not used to torrenting (or Napster-ing, or Kazaa-ing, etc) movies

Can you provide a source for this that adjusts for the increase in worldwide internet use as well as bandwidth?

When Netflix started, it was an overnight DVD delivery company, not directly competing with online movie piracy. Pirating movies in 1997 meant making large sacrifices over quality and convenience, not because people "weren't used to it".

By the time Netflix entered the online movie streaming market to compete with piracy, the DMCA had been in effect for years. The world was very used to filesharing before the DMCA went into effect. And Blockbuster was already suffering poorly not just because of Netflix but because of a general shift in how people consume their movies.

> Whereas by the time iTunes Music rolled around, people were already comfortable with having the whole world of music at their fingertips

Through YouTube? Because otherwise I don't know of a truly comprehensive legal streaming service. Unless you're referring to filesharing?

> Perhaps the most interesting part about all this is that there was never (to my knowledge) such a thing as a store where you could rent records, tapes, or CDs -- Blockbuster for music.

Music-ripping tools were ubiquitous at the time (everyone had a CD drive), movie ripping tools were not nearly as popular. It didn't economically make sense.

Re:Lessons from Spotify by nerdponx on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @10:54AM (#16537210)
adjusts for the increase in worldwide internet use as well as bandwidth

Why? The fact that it was physically hard to pirate movies in 1997 is part of why people didn't do it.

Through YouTube

iTunes Music predates YouTube being a viable music platform. I'm talking about filesharing.

Music-ripping tools were ubiquitous at the time

I'm talking about pre-CD-drive.

Re:Lessons from Spotify by kakarot on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @07:44PM (#16541324)
Netflix as a streaming service wasn't pre-CD-drive.
Re:Lessons from Spotify by csytan on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @10:28AM (#16536998)
Music also has much more replay-ability than movies.