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Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by tsomctl on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:33PM (#16513279)
To anyone who isn't aware, there is a huge world of car hacking. There is of course the basics like getting an expensive air filter (pointless), and it goes all the way up to welding up your own custom car. The more common mods are things like tuning your suspension, replacing your engine with a more powerful one, or upgrading your differentials. It takes a wide range of skills, including welding, machining, panel beating, plumbing, and electrical. You can very easily nerd out on this.
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by loeg on Sunday March 04, 2018 @12:49AM (#16513471)
> You can very easily nerd out on this.

It's also a good money suck. Pretty easy to spend a year's pay on car mods that at best do not regress safety features nor increase your rate of speeding tickets. At worst you're looking at safety issues and additional tickets (cost).

Not judging — people have different hobbies and are free to spend their money how they see fit. If you're looking for frugal hobbies, though, this isn't it.

(Now, shadetree home car maintenance — that's a frugal hobby in a similar vein. It's a nice break from the keyboard and requires some of the same skills.)

Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by ilovecars2 on Sunday March 04, 2018 @08:40AM (#16514681)
This is disappointing to read, but an understandable point of view from someone who isn’t into their cars.

The issue is there are two kinds of modders: those who mod for the track and those who mod for street racing. I’d bet that OP has experienced the latter and not the former, hence the negative comment.

There is a massive group of car modders who build their cars for the track. We understand that the road is not the right place to drive fast, and that there is almost no advantage in doing so. We seek faster lap times which often requires improving features of the car such as tires, brakes, suspension, stiffer anti-roll bars, gearboxes, clutch, seats, weight reduction, etc...

Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by abakker on Sunday March 04, 2018 @11:17AM (#16515207)
Also: off road/overlanders. Stock parts just don’t work.

Edit: I have replaced diffs, springs, shocks, tires, wheels, and added a steering damper. For overlanding that is pretty minimal work. For Motorsport style off-roading, I would need to do quite a bit more.

Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by lb1lf on Sunday March 04, 2018 @11:38AM (#16515290)
I was about to chime in with this, but you beat me to it. (HZJ79 Land Cruiser, lockers rear, center and front, full underbody and steering protection, expedition tank, water tanks, upgraded shocks, the mandatory snorkel, a real mother of a roof rack, steering damper coming up...

Sigh. Any hobby you can get blokes interested in eventually turns into gadget madness...

Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by dsfyu404ed on Sunday March 04, 2018 @03:37PM (#16516560)
I knew someone would mention the Land Cruiser. It's the quintessential car for the HN crowd. It's upscale doesn't have the redneck vibe like an 80s Bronco or Suburban does.
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by chrisseaton on Monday March 05, 2018 @06:16AM (#16520253)
> It's the quintessential car for the HN crowd. It's upscale doesn't have the redneck vibe like an 80s Bronco or Suburban does.

A Land Rover Defender would also fit this - if you see someone driving a defender it could be a destitute farmer, a middle class mother, a millionaire footballer, or literally the Queen. It’s the most egalitarian car in the world.

Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by lb1lf on Sunday March 04, 2018 @04:00PM (#16516681)
Upscale? Look at this baby and call it upscale once again... (Not mine, just first hit) [0]

Land Cruisers come in two main families - the rather utilitarian 70 series, favoured by the Red Cross, UN, IS and assorted civilians with a cavalier attitude towards fuel economy - and the increasingly luxurious (yet still eminently capable!) 120/150/200 series.

[0] http://m.transautomobile.com/en/export/toyota-land-cruiser-7...

Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by js2 on Sunday March 04, 2018 @09:28PM (#16518261)
What? My XJ wants to have a word with you!
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by tsomctl on Sunday March 04, 2018 @11:07AM (#16515156)
There's car mods other than race cars. I have a modified Toyota 4Runner that will go just about anywhere. There's a really large field of people restoring old cars, which is difficult because some parts just don't exist. This overlaps with the restomod scene, which restores old cars while selectively upgrading certain parts.

And then you get to stuff like putting a Tesla into an old Honda. If you have to ask why, then you wouldn't understand.

But yes, it very easily gets to be expensive.

Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by hueving on Sunday March 04, 2018 @02:25AM (#16513656)
Did the GP mention it being a frugal hobby? Why bring up an issue, claim there are limited upsides and then point out that you aren't judging? It seems antithetical to the hacker spirit.
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by denimnerd on Sunday March 04, 2018 @01:50AM (#16513590)
there's these things called race tracks.

But you're right. I have a lot of money into my car. I also have 0 tickets. It also has a roll cage, FIA approved seat, harness bar, harness, hans device, etc

Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by joshu on Sunday March 04, 2018 @03:43AM (#16513820)
Race or track day? Pics?
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by cpursley on Sunday March 04, 2018 @04:35AM (#16513960)
Chumpcar?
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by mysterydip on Sunday March 04, 2018 @08:47AM (#16514708)
I've done Chumpcar before, as a car/team owner. It's a great experience but not as cheap as they make it out to be (ie "just put a roll cage in an old car and go race").
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by cpursley on Monday March 05, 2018 @10:41AM (#16521731)
Yeah, not as cheap. Especially after smashing it ;)
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by dsfyu404ed on Sunday March 04, 2018 @03:38PM (#16516565)
LeMons is cheaper
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by denimnerd on Sunday March 04, 2018 @11:33AM (#16515271)
NASA
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by Frondo on Sunday March 04, 2018 @02:02AM (#16513611)
I'd love to do a lot more to my car, but I live in an apartment in a crowded part of the city; no garage, no place for tools.

Is there anything like the equivalent of a commissary kitchen, but for cars? Like a garage with tools where I could rent it for a couple of days, and then go work on it with their tools, etc?

Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by cstejerean on Sunday March 04, 2018 @02:09AM (#16513629)
Profile says you’re in Seattle. If so, check out The Shop (http://theshopclubs.com). It s a bit more than just a garage to rent, but among the various services it offers to members one of them is the ability to rent their bays with a car lift to work on your car.
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by jpindar on Sunday March 04, 2018 @10:41AM (#16515039)
I've swapped engines in an apartment complex parking lot. Life finds a way. :)
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by dsfyu404ed on Sunday March 04, 2018 @03:48PM (#16516626)
>I live in an apartment in a crowded part of the city; no garage, no place for tools.

99% of what you need to work on a car will fit in a large toolbox. It takes experience to weed out the stuff you don't actually need though. Most people make the mistake of thinking they "need" power tools.

Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by btgeekboy on Sunday March 04, 2018 @12:19AM (#16513386)
The aviation world has similar stuff. In the US, the experimental homebuilt scene is great. Lots of us (myself included) buy a kit and build and customize from there. My build is a kit from Vans Aircraft (likely the biggest of such manufacturers), but other companies sell kits and even just plans to build to your heart’s content. As the builder of record, you’re free to build and customize things like engines and avionics without being a certified mechanic.
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by mycall on Sunday March 04, 2018 @12:29AM (#16513418)
How popular are the Mosquito ultralight personal helicopters in the aviation scene?
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by btgeekboy on Sunday March 04, 2018 @01:50AM (#16513591)
Not popular enough that I've heard of them by name, but I also don't tend to dabble with rotors. I prefer my engine up front, and my wings to remain stationary to my person. Also, if you think fixed wing is expensive, wait until you see how much rotorcraft go for...
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by fizzledbits on Sunday March 04, 2018 @05:38AM (#16514145)
If you haven’t already heard of him, Peter Garrison’s Technicalities column in Flying Magazine is fascinating and always beautifully written. This is one of the planes he designed: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrison_Melmoth_2?wprov=sft...

I don’t fly but my dad was a pilot, and he and I would sometimes visit Peter’s hangar at Whiteman airport while he was building Melmoth 2.

Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by callahanrts on Sunday March 04, 2018 @12:02AM (#16513339)
This is absolutely true. Here's one of Jim's other builds that's sitting in our office. It's a steam powered car on a Model A frame. He and one of our other engineers are getting pretty good at this.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BbVdaa_gKB2/?taken-by=jimmy.buil...

Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by omegant on Sunday March 04, 2018 @04:37AM (#16513964)
Imprescindible youtube series Proyect Binky. A toyota corolla (if I recall correctly) 4 wheel drive engine and drivetrain in to a mini! https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCHvBHWBzzB7NyU5tIiEZHBg
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by djaychela on Sunday March 04, 2018 @04:56AM (#16514016)
I think it was a Celica GT-Four? Great series, too long between episodes...
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by omegant on Sunday March 04, 2018 @06:49AM (#16514380)
You are right! The amount of work and ingenuity they put in to the chassis is amazing. Mind blowing how everything is done with CAD (cardboard aided design)
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by baseten on Monday March 05, 2018 @12:52AM (#16519057)
and tea. don't forget the tea.
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by baseten on Monday March 05, 2018 @12:52AM (#16519053)
binky is bonkers. been following the build since like episode 5. That fella is a wizard with a grinder and a mig welder. absolutely the best auto fabrication i've seen on youtube.
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by pokemongoaway on Sunday March 04, 2018 @04:57AM (#16514018)
When will we be able to run more OSS on our Teslas, or at least a security hardened version? It's pretty obvious that they can be remotely hacked and made to look like a fatality was driver-error.
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by gonesilent on Sunday March 04, 2018 @01:52PM (#16515922)
Tesla is locked down good for remote hacking. But if you can get physical access you can do just about anything. But the same holds true for every other car.
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by pokemongoaway on Sunday March 04, 2018 @04:45PM (#16516957)
Agreed on the physical access issue... I guess I'd feel better if some computer security companies put their names on an independent review or something.
Re:Stuffing a Tesla Drivetrain into a 1981 Honda Accord by thathappened on Sunday March 04, 2018 @06:41AM (#16514350)
I can't wait for an open source car marketplace with standards and blueprints to order or 3d print yourself. I read about more ecar companies like one in upstate NY making old bronco like SUVs