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Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by jonahx on Saturday March 03, 2018 @02:53PM (#16511205)
Is it possible to find legitimately nitrate-free bacon in the US? If so, under what brand?
Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by hammock on Saturday March 03, 2018 @03:08PM (#16511288)
No. Bacon, salami and some other meats must be cured by FDA definition (either nirites added and sold as "cured" or sold as "uncured" but with "celery juice" which really means it's still cured)

Confusing I know

Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by tptacek on Saturday March 03, 2018 @04:40PM (#16511762)
Not only is meat cured with celery extract still cured, but it probably has more nitrates than "artificially" cured meat, since if you're using powdered nitrate salt, you can add precisely the amount you need.

Generally: if it tastes like what you expect ham or bacon to taste like, or it looks like what you expect it to look like, it's cured with nitrates. Nitrates have a powerful effect on flavor and color.

Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by jonahx on Saturday March 03, 2018 @10:31PM (#16513114)
> Generally: if it tastes like what you expect ham or bacon to taste like, or it looks like what you expect it to look like, it's cured with nitrates.

So you are saying that even if I got my own raw pork belly from the butcher and learned how to cure it properly with salt, its look and taste would still be inferior to the delicious blocks of bacon I get at any chain grocery store?

Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by tptacek on Saturday March 03, 2018 @10:42PM (#16513142)
It won't taste "hammy" without nitrates. It won't be bad. Everything tastes better cured.
Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by batbomb on Saturday March 03, 2018 @05:02PM (#16511905)
That's not entirely true. It must be cured, but it doesn't necessarily need nitrites to cure it.

You can buy salt cured bacon here: https://shop.bentonscountryham.com/ProductDetails.asp?Produc...

Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by tptacek on Saturday March 03, 2018 @07:06PM (#16512485)
Benton's is great bacon, but:

(1) You can look at that price tag and see why it's unlikely to be your go-to bacon,

(2) Last I checked, Benton's used a nitrate cure, and

(3) Seriously, intensely smoked food (Benton's bacon qualifies) is probably going to be more carcinogenic from the smoking compounds than from the cure. Unlike nitrate->N-nitrosamine, we're pretty clear on how smoked food causes gastric cancer.

Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by subpixel on Saturday March 03, 2018 @07:23PM (#16512551)
If you live near a large enough community of former Yugoslavians, you can find nitrate-free Suho Meso, which (when it's good) is like a cross between bacon and prosciutto. However, it contains all the carcinogens of smoked meat. That said the largest brand in the US (US-produced, actually) is not nitrate-free.
Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by mastax on Saturday March 03, 2018 @03:16PM (#16511328)
I was going to suggest uncured bacon, but it looks like even superorganic uncured bacon has celery powder[1]. I guess nationally-distributed refrigerated meat products need more preservative than just low levels of salt. I'd suggest buying "pork belly" from a butcher. A good butcher should have more fresh product and be able to answer questions about preparation.

[1]: http://applegate.com/products/organic-sunday-bacon

Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by emodendroket on Saturday March 03, 2018 @07:21PM (#16512534)
You don't need to go to a special butcher. Asian groceries usually have pork belly and you're seeing it at more and more "normal" supermarkets too. The problem, though, is that it tastes nothing like bacon.
Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by Lazare on Saturday March 03, 2018 @06:33PM (#16512362)
It is possible! However keep in mind: 1) It'll look completely different than normal bacon 2) It'll taste very different than normal bacon. 3) It'll be more likely to give you botulism. 4) It'll be no less likely to give you cancer.

All of which helps explain why it's so hard to find. :)

Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by mrfusion on Saturday March 03, 2018 @06:54PM (#16512442)
Where do you get 4) from?
Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by Lazare on Saturday March 03, 2018 @07:33PM (#16512599)
I should have said "may" I guess. However...

There is an ongoing debate over what actually causes the observed cancer increase from eating (some) meats, and which meats it applies to. Some studies suggest the issue is red meat in general, not cured meats; others focus on a more vague "processed meat" category. (This is made even more confusing by the US habit of selling cured meats labelled as "uncured", which was touched on in the article.)

We do know that nitrites can turn into cancer causing chemicals, but we also know that they do so in low quantities, and that a lot of things in our diet contain nitrites. The "cured-labelled-as-uncured" American bacon gets its nitrites from celery, which contains a lot, yet celery doesn't seem to be causing a lot of cancer. There are some vague theories about how "nitrites in plants are special!", but so far, every attempt to study that has shown the reverse as far as I'm aware.

So in my view, the situation is confusing, but there is certainly evidence that bacon causes cancer. What I don't really buy is the idea that it's obviously the nitrites. It's great that parma hams are made without them, but there's no study (nor is there likely to ever be a study) that says "good news, eating parma hams has 0% impact on your risk of cancer". Especially since they probably do give you cancer, if all the studies showing links to red meat are borne out.

But eh. Maybe it does lower your risk. :) But I think if I was worried about it, I'd skip all bacon, given how nonexistent the evidence is to suggest nitrite-free bacon is actually healthy.

Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by sgtcodfish on Saturday March 03, 2018 @06:47PM (#16512415)
The article linked in this post directly addresses (3) as being an absolute non-issue spread by FUD, and the whole article is about (4) being very probably untrue.

It also goes into solid detail on the extent of (1) and (2), neither of which seem particularly groundbreaking.

Re:The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon by emodendroket on Saturday March 03, 2018 @07:22PM (#16512537)
I didn't find the dismissal of botulism risk entirely persuasive. Botulism may be rare but it is really lethal.