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Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by amelius on Saturday March 03, 2018 @07:03AM (#16508925)
It would help if vendors used serial registration. And perhaps they could include some signature item in the package that is difficult to copy. Electronic products would be perfect to hold a signature.
Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by alok-g on Saturday March 03, 2018 @02:01PM (#16510891)
https://digiday.com/marketing/amazon-grows-transparency-prog...

Excerpt: "The way it works is roughly like a serialization or UPC code. The brand buys the codes from Amazon and puts a unique code on every unit it creates for sale on Marketplace. All the codes are serialized; Amazon will not accept items without codes."

Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by alanfalcon on Saturday March 03, 2018 @07:31AM (#16508997)
Might this be a legit use case for a blockhain solution?
Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by kalleboo on Saturday March 03, 2018 @07:37AM (#16509025)
No. The source of truth is the manufacturer, so you don't need a "trustless" solution. You trust the manufacturer.
Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by fnordsensei on Saturday March 03, 2018 @01:57PM (#16510873)
I wouldn't trust that they are who they say they are unless they can prove it. Also I don't trust anyone between them and me, including Amazon.

If they signed products with a cryptographic key, might actually be worth something as proof of who they are.

Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by kalleboo on Sunday March 04, 2018 @07:20AM (#16514452)
Sure, but that's just regular old cryptographic signatures + a web of trust. A blockchain doesn't help at all to prove who someone is.
Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by __s on Saturday March 03, 2018 @08:12AM (#16509149)
Blockchain isn't the only cryptography

Manufacturer has a keypair. They include a QR code that's the digital signature of the combination of your name & the product's serial number. You use their public key to verify

Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by sowbug on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:24AM (#16509962)
This would effectively mean that every manufacturer were a retailer, because they would need a direct relationship with the ultimate buyer. Whether you like Amazon or not, that kind of retail model has proven incredibly valuable to shoppers by aggregating sellers that would be too hard to find individually and eliminating the need for a manufacturer-end-buyer relationship.

A solution like this would also limit alienability of property. I buy a DSLR and register it with the manufacturer. Two years later I want to resell it to someone else and discover my manufacturer either refuses to issue the new QR code to the buyer, or wants to charge a "reasonable" or "nominal" fee of 25% of the fair market value of the good to effect the transfer.

This is why a distributed-trust solution like blockchain actually might not be overkill, in spite of its buzzwordiness these days.

Or to return to your idea, instead of the person's name, transfer to an ID that's backed by another keypair. The buyer now has the authority to sign away full ownership without asking the manufacturer for cooperation. Of course, this means the manufacturer and each seller in the chain now has to have a tech-support department for people who lost their private keys or forgot the keychain password....

Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by Larrikin on Saturday March 03, 2018 @10:09AM (#16509530)
Why would the manufacturer bother instead of just telling you to not buy on Amazon and buy directly from them? On any expensive item that people research it seems like it'd be in their interest if Amazon got a reputation for selling fakes, to break the habit of people who only look on there.
Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by rz2k on Saturday March 03, 2018 @10:30AM (#16509632)
Only if Amazon got that reputation in the broader market. Otherwise, manufacturers would potentially benefit from retailers having a more difficult time claiming ignorance about which items in their warehouses are fake.
Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by mcphage on Saturday March 03, 2018 @12:19PM (#16510286)
The digital signature of the serial number would probably be sufficient. That’s not a bad idea.
Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by tomrod on Saturday March 03, 2018 @07:41AM (#16509040)
Eh, what would a decentralized ledger hosted by multiple parties bring to the table here? Trying to see your reasoning on invoking blockchain.
Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by alanfalcon on Saturday March 03, 2018 @09:46AM (#16509441)
An idle thought perhaps not well thought out. But I was envisioning more than the simple Manufacturer to Amazon handoff, something like a new type of individual-item-specific UPC where you could continue to track ownership even through hip-to-the-system OfferUp style apps. The privacy implications are scary, and I'm not suggesting there's a viable or good idea in here. Thus it was a question. :-)
Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by tomrod on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:59AM (#16510162)
Would that be a feasible B2B service between suppliers and Amazon?
Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by SmellyGeekBoy on Saturday March 03, 2018 @09:33AM (#16509394)
Finally! A legitimate use for blockch...

Nope

Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by hapnin on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:15AM (#16509903)
Alibaba disagrees. Amazon should take a look.

https://medium.com/@alitech_2017/blockchain-based-qa-the-end...

Re:Amazon won't sell you a Chromecast, but they will sell a ... by Dylan16807 on Saturday March 03, 2018 @12:20PM (#16510292)
Just because you can force a blockchain onto something, doesn't mean you need any of the features a blockchain gives you. It just means you really like to say "blockchain".