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Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by scardine on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @05:45AM (#16428501)
At 47 it is a bit of the explore/exploit paradox for me - an optimal stopping problem.

As an introvert social interaction drains my mental energy so at some point you start investing more energy into enjoying your best friends than into making new friends.

Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by dmichulke on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @07:08AM (#16428831)
1. I only ever heard of this as a dilemma and not a paradox

2. There is this recruiting problem where you have to decide which secretary to hire before having seen all of them. The optimal solution is to see the first 37% (1/e) and then hire the first that is better than the previously seen best.

Putting that into lifespan of ~75 ys and assuming we don't really start sampling until we are 15, we end up with an optimal stopping (= exploitation) age of 32.07.

Surprisingly close to the 30 mentioned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem

Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by TorKlingberg on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @09:46AM (#16429779)
It's the optimal solution if you wan to optimize the probability of hiring the one best secretary out of all the candidates. When hiring you usually care more about maximizing the expected "goodness", hiring someone in the top X%, or anyone who meets a certain bar.
Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by thecrazyone on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @08:09AM (#16429130)
Oh! I used a similar mathematical model while finding a spouse.

I figured, that for me, 37% (1/e) worked out to 13 people.

This (finding people) is a space I've spent a lot of time doing, planning, understanding, and thinking about :)

Also, there are a lot of scientific papers on how to model these in scholar.google.com (sorry that I don't have links that I can give right now)

Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by 725686 on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @03:13PM (#16432549)
How romantic.
Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by KingPrad on Thursday February 22, 2018 @11:33AM (#16438780)
Have you read "The Rosie Project"? It explored some similar ideas as a fun novel.
Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by cheschire on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @05:55AM (#16428547)
As an extrovert, social interaction still drains my mental energy. If anything I find myself even more obligated than you do to hold up my end of the conversation because that's the social expectation. This can be horribly exhausting when I'm simply not in the mood.
Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by ryeguy_24 on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @06:06AM (#16428590)
The extroverts I’ve known all thrive and get energy in social situations. I use this now as my deciding factor for introversion and extroversion. Are you sure you aren’t an introvert with extrovert skills. That’s what I am. I can talk to anyone easily but it drains me.
Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by cheschire on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @07:51AM (#16429045)
Yeah, I had some leadership training last year that involved multiple personality tests. I'm absolutely an extrovert. It wasn't even an "on the fence" kind of result.

I'm not an expert on psychological motivations, so I can't speak to the feelings or motivations of others, just myself.

Most of the time these results are things I find during introspection after social events are over. I can spend 4 hours in a social situation and be one of the drivers that keeps things going. It's later, when I'm alone and meditating, that I discover just how exhausted I was.

Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by powvans on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @11:03AM (#16430384)
As an extrovert, my experience is that I pick up on another people's emotions and that colors my mood. If everyone is sort of uncomfortable and struggling through and eyeing the door, then I pick up on that and it saps my energy. If I find myself talking to a half dozen people who are in great moods and having an exciting conversation, I can get so carried away that I will feel a sort of buzzing high. Whether I go home tired or go home buzzing with energy very much depends on the event.

My wife is an introvert and is highly skilled at chit chat. She can work a room better than anyone but the most gregarious salesman types. She will remember the names of people that she met 10 years ago, details about their careers, their children's names and what their children studied in college. Doesn't matter if it's a professional event, a wedding, or a funeral, she is always on her game. BUT, she always goes home exhausted.

Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by scardine on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @06:08AM (#16428597)
People take me by an extrovert all the time. I learned to look less nerdy by mimicking my extrovert twin brother. I was the weirdest guy of the school and he was the most popular.

Have you ever wondered if deep inside you are an introvert that just got very good at pretending to be an extrovert at early age due to social pressure? Western society rewards extroverts.

Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by jbverschoor on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @06:39AM (#16428709)
Introvert/extravert is how you recover your energy. You can perfectly be sociable and an introvert.
Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by shrimp_emoji on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @07:05PM (#16434101)
I thought both introverts and extraverts get energy by digesting food!
Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by tessierashpool on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @09:34AM (#16429694)
Western society rewards extroverts.

Are you sure about that? I get the impression that the English culture regards extroverts as freaks of nature and terrifying monsters.

Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by ionised on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @10:46AM (#16430246)
How do you figure?
Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by trowway21 on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @06:02AM (#16428572)
Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by cheschire on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @07:53AM (#16429055)
The extent of your personality test for me was reading my post on mobile.
Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by trowway21 on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @08:21AM (#16429218)
I was simply pointing out that what you had typed in the comment that I replied to, is exactly what the dude who came up with those 'types' wrote down as definitions.
Re:Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012) by cheschire on Wednesday February 21, 2018 @09:05AM (#16429482)
Context helps, thanks. Your other post felt more like you were throwing your knowledge in my face and calling me wrong.