Re:Borneo Lost More Than 100k Orangutans from 1999 to 2015
by goatlover on Friday February 16, 2018 @06:39PM
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There probably wouldn't be 7.4 billion people either. People burnt non petroleum resources in that part of the world for a very long time.
Re:Borneo Lost More Than 100k Orangutans from 1999 to 2015
by mc32 on Friday February 16, 2018 @06:50PM
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I'll give you that but I think it likely without advances, we'd've exhausted forests with 3bill subsistence level humans.
Re:Borneo Lost More Than 100k Orangutans from 1999 to 2015
by pishpash on Friday February 16, 2018 @09:24PM
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Subsistence level humans don't get to 3 billion. They'll get periodically wiped out by idiosyncratic events.
Re:Borneo Lost More Than 100k Orangutans from 1999 to 2015
by mc32 on Friday February 16, 2018 @11:57PM
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Depends what you mean by subsistence. I meant like the farming we had in America in the 1900s, or Rural Mexico, rural Kenya in the 70s, Russia 1920s. You can sustain a lot of people --but it requires clearcutting, and burning. Lots of inefficiency and waste.
When people talk about life getting better they generally mean human welfare, not wildlife welfare. Never the less, without progress in science and industry, I'm sure wildlife would be even worse off. Imagine if most people still burnt non petroleum resources for cooking and heating....
Trivia: Orang orang = people, orang utan = forest people.