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Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by cortesoft on Friday February 16, 2018 @03:47PM (#16396031)
I mean, giving yourself a month or two to get used to your own stink is lovely and all.. but what about the rest of us who still have to smell you?
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by code_duck on Friday February 16, 2018 @03:56PM (#16396130)
Personally, I find the fragrances of personal care products far more offensive than the smell of a recently showered person without fragrances. It’s not my preference about the odor, it’s my reaction to the dozens of secret synthetic chemicals that they create the fragrance with. Essential oils are better, but still offensive and cause me various unpleasant symptoms and feelings.
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by pasquinelli on Friday February 16, 2018 @04:31PM (#16396553)
i agree totally, perfumes are almost exclusively suffocating. i feel like there's this arms race going on, where you get used to one level if fragrance and then a more potent one lures in people, and now the cover ups are getting pretty close to at least as bad as the stinks they're trying to cover up.
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by bsder on Friday February 16, 2018 @08:08PM (#16398164)
The problem is that all of the stuff that used to make perfumes persistent are all gone.

I received a really nice French cologne as a birthday gift back in the 80's--women loved it. It was low grade enough that only people very next to you would notice, and it would last days ... even after showers. This made for some interesting interactions with women at the office ... "Oh, looks like someone had a good weekend ..."

At some point, they had to change out the binder/fixer/whatever (presumably it's either horribly toxic or horribly cruel to skunks), and colognes haven't been the same since.

Now, in order to get a cologne to last even a couple of hours, they create things that are horrifically strong at start, and you still almost can't smell them several hours later.

(I actually had the misfortune to test this. My mother used Chanel No 5 Eau de Cologne that I would buy for her as a gift when she ran out or it went bad. The last one I bought smelled wrong as soon as I opened it--they reformulated it and discontinued it soon after. I wound up kicked through Chanel customer service to get some of the last "real" stock they had--they knew that the updated one was wrong and had kept a small amount for customer complaints (and presumably very rich patrons).)

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by jstarfish on Friday February 16, 2018 @11:35PM (#16399034)
I'm not old enough to know how cologne and perfume "used" to be, but it certainly works better (and longer) when it binds to oils.

Try using an oil-based soap, using a dab of unscented baby oil on your skin or not showering for a day before using perfumes.

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by tripzilch on Monday February 19, 2018 @10:15AM (#16413333)
AFAIK this is also in part because there is a difference between "perfume", "cologne", "eau de cologne", "eau de perfume"--some of these are probably the same, I forget the exact details. Someone once explained me there's three different types of smell-good liquids, and they mainly differ in how long they last. Often you have the same fragrance at various prices.
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by dredmorbius on Friday February 16, 2018 @10:48PM (#16398857)
Hrm... "Fixative" appears to be the term. Ambergris is one of several used, and the one I've heard of.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixative_(perfumery)

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by code_duck on Friday February 16, 2018 @10:28PM (#16398774)
What I don’t understand is how people wear half a dozen unrelated fragrances at once. Laundry detergent, dryer sheets, cologne, deodorant, shampoo, and sometimes people still add “air freshener” on top of that.
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by cbzbc on Saturday February 17, 2018 @02:37AM (#16399557)
It's possible to get unscented versions of most personal hygiene products- and generally you shouldn't be using so much shampoo that you smell it for hours after using it.
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by code_duck on Saturday February 17, 2018 @08:47AM (#16400640)
Most shampoo fragrance fades fairly fast, compared to scents meant to last all day like deodorant. But I think you are underestimating the strength of the fragrances in shampoo.

I do know of the fragrance-free options, of course, but I’ve suffered comfort issues from being near other people’s fragrances for over a decade. I have to try to find fragrance-free and natural versions of everything for my girlfriend.

It isn’t a problem for my own use, as I use very few personal care products, but it would be great if the general public understood the things you say.

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by remir on Friday February 16, 2018 @04:21PM (#16396447)
Drugstore brands such as Axe, Old Spice and Irish Spring are absolutely terrible. I'm currently using Dr Bronner's castile soap (eucalyptus) and while the smell is strong, it's not offensive. I also like Ivory (bar soap) and Every Man Jack.
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by culot on Friday February 16, 2018 @04:31PM (#16396560)
Desert Essence tea tree vegetable soap bar is also really excellent. It has only a mild smell going on, and leaves no scent behind. Also a killer lather and lasts a long time.

Their liquid soap.. no so good, doesn't lather well and doesn't go the distance.

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by remir on Friday February 16, 2018 @06:07PM (#16397389)
Thank you for the suggestion.
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by stinos on Saturday February 17, 2018 @04:34AM (#16399898)
far more offensive

So much. Had this one colleague, luckily not in the same room, but he once touched my screen (which is already a big no-go for me anwyay) and I could still smeel it days later. Maybe my sense of smell is too good, don't know, but this was rather unpleasant.

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by loeg on Friday February 16, 2018 @04:06PM (#16396268)
That's what showers are for. Water alone washes off odor.
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by always_good on Friday February 16, 2018 @04:19PM (#16396423)
For a brief moment. Just like how brushing your teeth makes your breath smell alright for 30 minutes.

Nice to have a gameplan thereafter though.

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by loeg on Friday February 16, 2018 @04:24PM (#16396480)
No, you continue to smell just fine for about 24 hours or until you induce yourself to sweat (exercise, sauna, wearing too many clothes for conditions). The bacteria and their food have literally been washed off of your skin and it takes them some time to regrow into sufficient numbers to produce odor.

What mechanism of applying body soap do you think persists after showering? Either way, the bacteria are mostly gone and more importantly their food is mostly gone. Of course, they immediately start trying to grow back, whether you used soap or not.

(I don't see any reason the tooth-brushing metaphor is warranted, since it seems to introduce more differences than similarities.)

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by dpark on Friday February 16, 2018 @05:08PM (#16396910)
Water alone doesn’t do a very good job of removing bacteria, or sweat, or dirt. Which is why we use soap in the first place. Your skin has oils on it that trap all of these things. Soap allows you to get much more off than water alone. This is also why soaps can result in dry skin.

If water alone did a good job of removing bacteria, then surgeons wouldn’t scrub with soap for 15 minutes.

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by loeg on Friday February 16, 2018 @05:17PM (#16396978)
> Water alone doesn’t do a very good job of removing sweat

Citation needed? Sweat is mostly water and trace amount of salt. It dissolves easily in water.

> Water alone doesn’t do a very good job of removing bacteria or dirt

We agree here! (With some qualified reservations about what the subjective "very good" means, and how necessary it is for body washing applications.)

Water does a reasonable job of removing bacteria -- handwashing studies show this. It's a lot better than nothing. Yes, water combined with soap does a better job.

> If water alone did a good job of removing bacteria, then surgeons wouldn’t scrub with soap for 15 minutes.

The topic under discussion is body soaps, not handwashing.

I would always suggest washing your hands with soap! You use your hands to prepare food and touch mucus membranes. The same is not true of, say, your armpits.

(Going off into the weeds here, but: surgeons do not scrub for 15 minutes. That would destroy their skin and increase risk of transferring disease. Timed scrubs are 3-5 minutes. And they certainly do not perform surgery with their armpits.)

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by DoubleCribble on Friday February 16, 2018 @06:23PM (#16397506)
> Water does a reasonable job of removing bacteria -- handwashing studies show this.

If I'm not mistaken, the materials I've seen indicate it's the scrubbing for a certain period of time (20 seconds?) that removes the most bacteria in handwashing. Just putting your hands under running water alone doesn't do much, if anything.

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by loeg on Friday February 16, 2018 @06:37PM (#16397620)
Agreed — scrubbing is important. My comment about "water alone" was in contrast to "water plus body soap." I did not mean to suggest you should not scrub.
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by nrb on Friday February 16, 2018 @09:29PM (#16398540)
The goal of hand washing and body washing is the same: reduce the amount of remaining problem bacteria to a negligible amount.
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by loeg on Friday February 16, 2018 @09:57PM (#16398667)
Problem bacteria levels for hands and body are different. Hands are also typically washed for far shorter periods of time than showers.
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by dpark on Saturday February 17, 2018 @09:01AM (#16400690)
Standing in a shower for 10 minutes doesn’t mean your armpits are getting cleaned well (or anything else for that matter). I bet most people scrub their armpits for a couple of seconds each. And except for people who shave, armpits are full of hair that interferes with getting them cleaned easily.

The set of people who vigorously scrub their clean-shaven armpits under water for 20-30 seconds each is probably pretty small.

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by smileysteve on Friday February 16, 2018 @09:46PM (#16398604)
> or until you induce yourself to sweat

So, for me walking to work, that would be about 10 minutes.

And most of the east coast is 90% humid and in the 90s come summer

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by loeg on Friday February 16, 2018 @10:04PM (#16398697)
So do you think washing with soap prevents you from sweating, or what?
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by coatmatter on Monday February 19, 2018 @12:05PM (#16414040)
> Just like how brushing your teeth makes your breath smell alright for 30 minutes.

Provided your mouth isn't dry (e.g., when you're asleep), brushing your tongue should help a lot. Getting rid of the white furry stuff very much helps keep things fresh - at least until you start drinking coffee/sugar and eating foods again (apples might be alright though).

While you didn't mention tongue brushing - I won't presume whether you do or don't do that already so I'm replying as such for others' benefit - I believe not everyone realises[1] how much of an improvement tongue brushing makes. Those with a strong gag reflex[2] might also be reluctant to brush - it's not something my parents ever taught me to do and one of them still has it as strong as I used to only around 10-15 years ago - I had to learn it myself from online reading and gradual practice.

[1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=brush+tongue

[2] My own tips for dialing down the reflex is to not have a full stomach (so not immediately after breakfast or dinner[3]), breathe in deeply beforehand, brush from back of the tongue to the front, and grimace/retract the tongue before a gag kicks in (but also not worry if there is still a gag; just take another chance to rinse/breathe). The other benefit to being able to be relaxed about this is that dentist visits become a lot more relaxing (i.e., I've almost drifted off before while occupying/placing my mind in other places and thinking about - meditation, self hypnosis perhaps?).

[3] One other common dental hygiene recommendation is to brush three times a day, but I've never really been able to do that consistently and know of very few people who do. I would suggest a compromise solution of brushing morning, and then before dinner to clear the bacteria, and then of course again before bed. The idea isn't to have no bacteria in the mouth (that's impossible) but to just cut it back frequently enough to make a difference.

(Background: I'm not a dentist but I've had enough experience visiting them to have permanently made improvements towards my dental health, which I'd guess was below-average in the past. These days I practically look forward to seeing my dentist - so long as it's just the yearly checkup.)

Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by mlindner on Friday February 16, 2018 @06:36PM (#16397607)
Water washes off odor but not the bacteria that make that odor. You need to use soap.
Re:Deodorants, perfumes, soaps pollute air at levels as high... by loeg on Friday February 16, 2018 @09:59PM (#16398674)
> Water washes off odor but not the bacteria that make that odor.

That is simply inaccurate.

"Bacteria of potential faecal origin (mostly Enterococcus and Enterobacter spp.) were found after no handwashing in 44% of samples. Handwashing with water alone reduced the presence of bacteria to 23% (p < 0.001)."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3037063/

Whether body soap is necessary for you in particular to not smell bad I cannot comment, but it certainly isn't universally true.