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Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal? by jnbiche on Friday February 09, 2018 @11:09AM (#16341279)
There's a good reason many of us dislike current usage of word "privilege", and to your credit, you avoided it. Lots of times the word "white privilege" is thrown around by relatively well-off people in urban areas, and that usage is extremely hurtful and frankly stunning if you're a poor white person living in a small town in say, W. Virginia. You work multiple minimum wage jobs and still barely scrap by, watch friends and family succumb to desperation and opiates, and look around your town as it crumbles in neglect. And you don't feel like you're very "privileged" in spite of being white.

The term is particularly bewildering to rural and small town poor whites when it's tossed out by a 20-something-year old professional in some big city who's making a $200,000/year salary, or by a trust-fund kid protesting in a university where tuition costs more money a semester than your whole extended family makes in a year.

I realize that many people who use the term "white privilege" may not be targeting such people with the term (although many clearly are). However, when the only qualifier someone uses is "white", it's hard to draw that conclusion.

Again, to your credit, you used the term "straight rich white men". But most people fail to make this distinction.

I also strongly agree with your final paragraph. What we call "privilege" is something that all people should have. Instead of working to destroy privilege, we should work to ensure that all people have that same privilege.

Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal? by Retric on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:02PM (#16342375)
Being poor and white is still an advantage over poor and Latino/Black. Look at conviction rates at criminal trials for example.

Now, it's not the kind of advantage that feels meaningful, but it really adds up over a lifetime.

Even +/- 1% sales can make or break a small business for example.

Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal? by jnbiche on Friday February 09, 2018 @02:12PM (#16343009)
> Being poor and white is still an advantage over poor and Latino/Black. Look at conviction rates at criminal trials for example.

No argument, but is that really justification for wealthy urban whites to go around shouting about "white privilege" to poor rural whites? I mean, if you feel that way, continue, but I can guarantee you it won't be a net positive for our country, black or white.

Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal? by Retric on Friday February 09, 2018 @02:45PM (#16343258)
A poor white man is less likely to be convicted than a rich black man. So, the racial devise is larger than the economic one.

I don't think the term white privilege is great, but it is a massive injustice that's IMO worth talking about.

Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal? by badpun on Friday February 09, 2018 @02:09PM (#16342983)
> Being poor and white is still an advantage over poor and Latino/Black. Look at conviction rates at criminal trials for example.

Are there stats for convictions of poor white people vs poor black latino/black, or just all white vs all latino/black? I don't think the latter stats would be particularly helpful here.

Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal? by Retric on Friday February 09, 2018 @02:37PM (#16343200)
Yes, it's so bad: Poor white kids are less likely to go to prison than rich black kids "https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/...

"One in ten Black males in their thirties is in prison or jail in the United States." That's insane.

Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal? by badpun on Friday February 09, 2018 @02:56PM (#16343342)
Very interesting.

However, one thing that I fail to see addressed here is reason for the incarceration gap. The way I see it, it can be partially because black kids are prosecuted more (the "white privilege" argument) and partially perhaps because, for whatever reason, rich black kids just commit crimes more often.

Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal? by s73v3r_ on Friday February 09, 2018 @04:49PM (#16344133)
I don't buy the argument that rich black kids commit crimes at higher rates. White and black people smoke weed at roughly the same rates, yet black people are far, far, far more likely to be prosecuted for it.
Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal? by badpun on Saturday February 10, 2018 @04:53AM (#16346639)
It's not an argument, merely an unknown. Considering that black people have elements of their own culture that are anti-hard work ("acting white") and pro-crime ("gangsta rap"), I wouldn't be suprised if this culture managed to spoil even the kids from the good homes to some degree.

BTW how do you know that white and black people smoke weed at roughly the same rates?

Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal? by s73v3r_ on Monday February 12, 2018 @12:28PM (#16360185)
There have been studies on that very thing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/06/04/the-b...

If you look, Figures 21 and 22 show usage rates to be about the same. However, if you look down at Figure 10, you'll see a huge disparity in arrest rates.

Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal? by vostok on Friday February 09, 2018 @11:44AM (#16341657)
I think white privilege is in contrast to being not white. Statistically, you can think of it as a, for example, 1% effect that gets added to another 1% effect that gets added to another 1% effect and so on. Add enough of these effects and you have a pretty big impact.

Even accounting for the racial makeup of those states, I know far more white people than non-white people from poor states who are now making great money.

Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal? by jachee on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:55PM (#16342893)
> we should work to ensure that all people have that same privilege

That is working to destroy privilege.