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Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by CodeSheikh on Thursday February 08, 2018 @11:12AM (#16333109)
Google NYC is literally right across the block from Chelsea Market. This transaction would mean that Google will occupy the real estate above the actual market. Chelsea Market is an amazing place with great offerings of food etc. As long as this transaction does not ruin the ecosystem of CM then New Yorkers are OK with this transaction. Lets face it who would not want to sell their real estate to The Google?
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by djtriptych on Thursday February 08, 2018 @11:15AM (#16333159)
Google already occupies the majority of the space above the market - at least 3 full floors (As of a couple years ago). It's not much of a change for any New Yorkers except that they tend not to renew leases for other office space tenants.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by CydeWeys on Thursday February 08, 2018 @12:09PM (#16333635)
New York Googler here.

Chelsea Market is actually 19 different buildings on the same block that have merged together over time. The floor layout is truly crazy. Some floors are staggered by a full half height at the interface between buildings, there are exterior courtyards on the inside of the block that are roofed over, and buildings are of differing height. You can see it all on Google Maps; contrast with 111 8th Ave next door (where I sit) that is all one proper building. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7402908,-74.0061411,325a,35y...

And yeah, we already have a huge amount of office space in Chelsea Market, up to six floors now, and presumably buying the entire block made sense vs continuing to rent.

Hopefully the ground floor marketspace itself won't be affected. I can't imagine we'd kick all that out, though. It wouldn't be a good look. Chelsea Market is an iconic tourist destination.

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by jagger27 on Thursday February 08, 2018 @12:39PM (#16333920)
So they're buying the entire block? $2 billion seems cheap all of a sudden.

That hodgepodge mess of buildings really appeals to my inner Lego-building child.

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by DogOnTheWeb on Thursday February 08, 2018 @01:39PM (#16334420)
The layout is like none other. You'll walk down a spiral stairway, through some cubes, turn the corner to a ramp, more cubes, more narrow hallways and ramps.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by CydeWeys on Thursday February 08, 2018 @01:49PM (#16334509)
And a lot of the space has these beautiful antique wooden floors and the ceilings are held up gigantic wooden columns and beams. Most of the buildings on the site are over a century old and predate the modern construction methods that use reinforced concrete and steel I-beams.

Contrast with 111 8th Ave, which was built contemporaneously with the Empire State Building (and in the same aesthetic). It uses reinforced concrete and steel I-beam construction throughout. The brick you see from the outside is just an aesthetic facade; this is a solid building.

Oh, and there's two skybridges -- one that goes nowhere, and one that goes across 10th Ave to our space in that building.

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by DogOnTheWeb on Thursday February 08, 2018 @01:58PM (#16334580)
And who can forget the offices were once ovens for Nabisco.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by rrdharan on Thursday February 08, 2018 @09:30PM (#16337449)
There's a fun talk (given by Googler Greg Estern) on the history of 111 8th Ave here, for anyone more curious about the building:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVx59XOZtSA

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by rhizome on Thursday February 08, 2018 @10:59PM (#16337808)
That was great, thanks!
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by bonesss on Friday February 09, 2018 @05:52AM (#16339300)
> ...and there's two skybridges -- one that goes nowhere, and one that goes across 10th Ave to our space in that building.

This sounds like a pretty awesome, yet harsh, way to handle internal performance reviews...

Top performers get to walk over to 10th ave for cake and coffee. Low performers get to walk the plank, taking a skybridge to "nowhere", and are never heard from again.

... Need to get a subordinate to shape up? Take her up by the skybridge to nowhere and then tell her how important your TPS reports are. She'll get the hint.

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by timdierks on Sunday February 11, 2018 @06:35PM (#16355451)
The skybridge to "nowhere" just ends in another building which Google doesn't lease space to, so it is more of a "skylounge"; open at one end to Google, closed at the other, suspended three storied above 15th St. https://goo.gl/maps/Qzc4ZEB5hdw
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by eric_h on Thursday February 08, 2018 @12:52PM (#16334026)
The building they purchased in 2010 (111 8th Ave) is a full city block that they picked up for $1.9 billion - seems to be the going rate for a block in Chelsea.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by CydeWeys on Thursday February 08, 2018 @01:39PM (#16334419)
Chelsea Market is 1.2 million sqft. 111 8th Ave is 2.9 million sqft, and the fourth largest building by floor area in all of NYC. Not only is Chelsea Market much shorter on average than 111 8th Ave, its land area is smaller as well. The buildings themselves are also older and less modern, thus worth less. 111 8th Ave is an absolute tank of a building.

We got an excellent post-recession deal on 111 8th Ave. Chelsea Market looks to be at booming economy rates, hence paying about the same amount of money for much less.

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by xyzzyz on Thursday February 08, 2018 @02:15PM (#16334702)
Additionally, unlike other buildings in NYC with similar floor space, 111 8th Ave is not a skyscraper, which makes it more practical and useful, and much cheaper in maintenance.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by CydeWeys on Thursday February 08, 2018 @03:30PM (#16335325)
Plus you can get around all day just taking the stairs, which frequently saves time.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by notyourday on Thursday February 08, 2018 @07:43PM (#16336939)
There are not enough elevators in that building, especially on the 9th avenue side.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by CydeWeys on Friday February 09, 2018 @12:27PM (#16342057)
Four more are in the works, just being held up by the city's permitting process.

The building was originally not built as an office space, which is painfully obvious when you consider that it had more freight and truck elevators than people elevators.

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by dx034 on Friday February 09, 2018 @03:41AM (#16338786)
Maybe better for employee's health. >95% of people shouldn't require an elevator working in that building. Being forced to walk 5 floors instead of taking the elevator can have positive effects
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by notyourday on Friday February 09, 2018 @07:13AM (#16339612)
The number of people in that building is too high for the stairs.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by CydeWeys on Friday February 09, 2018 @12:28PM (#16342064)
Not true at all, especially not after the construction of Stairwell J. You almost never see any sort of crowding on the stairs. You see crowding at the elevators frequently.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by epc on Thursday February 08, 2018 @05:03PM (#16336008)
Chelsea Market has a lot of unused FAR, I think 300,000 square feet or more. Also not landmarked so easier to redevelop.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by samstave on Thursday February 08, 2018 @04:18PM (#16335676)
>That hodgepodge mess of buildings really appeals to my inner Lego-building child.

I couldnt have put it better - I got the exact same feeling from his comment. I was thinking "well that just sounds AWESOME"

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by mustacheemperor on Thursday February 08, 2018 @03:09PM (#16335171)
I visited MLB.com in Chelsea Market once (I wonder where they're moving now) and it was definitely the most unique office building I've encountered. The spirits of the fig newtons of old danced around us!
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by sabujp on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:27AM (#16338339)
> The floor layout is truly crazy. Some floors are staggered by a full half height at the interface between buildings, there are exterior courtyards on the inside of the block that are roofed over, and buildings are of differing height.

complexity should be no problem for Google engineers

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by bonesss on Friday February 09, 2018 @05:56AM (#16339311)
Sounds like an awesome excuse to implement a Star Trek/Enders game style "follow the lights on the wall" internal navigation system...
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by saalweachter on Friday February 09, 2018 @11:55AM (#16341768)
Google offices have a very collegiate feel; Google NYC feels like The Big U.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by Touche on Thursday February 08, 2018 @11:14AM (#16333139)
There are other office occupants though, and it sounds like Google's going to squeeze them out. So the food offerings might stay, but it's going to begin to feel like a Google cafeteria.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by CydeWeys on Thursday February 08, 2018 @12:11PM (#16333660)
Why would it begin to feel like a Google cafeteria? We have actual Google cafeterias (including in Chelsea Market, on the eighth floor). Chelsea Market is a huge tourist draw. Googlers generally don't eat there because it's crowded and the food costs money.

We do go out at night to The Tippler, a bar beneath the market, though. That definitely feels like an extension of Google space on weeknights.

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by djtriptych on Thursday February 08, 2018 @11:41AM (#16333403)
Google employees already eat for free at 5-6 internal restaurants within the Google office space. I used to work at Google NYC and would occasionally eat at a nice Thai spot in Chelsea Market but most of the time I'd just take the free lunch.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by zephraph on Thursday February 08, 2018 @12:22PM (#16333750)
Unfortunately that Thai place closed due to the rising cost of rent in the building. I work in the Food Network office in CM. For now, heh.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by ionforce on Thursday February 08, 2018 @02:04PM (#16334621)
> I work in the Food Network office in CM.

Doing something software/tech related?

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by samstave on Thursday February 08, 2018 @04:22PM (#16335693)
Yeah, I want more info on what working for Food Network is like as well...

Please

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by matt4077 on Thursday February 08, 2018 @05:52PM (#16336299)
> Doing something software/tech related?

I wonder if "being dislocated by" counts as "related".

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by unreal37 on Friday February 09, 2018 @09:03AM (#16340198)
Hey, I work on the Food Network Canada website. For now.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by 52-6F-62 on Thursday February 08, 2018 @11:59AM (#16333555)
If the food is at least as good as Google Waterloo (alas, I was only visiting.), then holy hell—I don't blame you. Coming from a more traditional office (with a gradually updating for-pay cafeteria) I could hardly believe it. It was really great food with an active policy of reducing waste (with published counts).
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by cmrdporcupine on Thursday February 08, 2018 @04:02PM (#16335576)
As a Google Waterloo employee I personally think much of the food at Google NYC is better, maybe the best I've had at Google. Not all of it, but some. There are certainly more options, as we have only one cafe here but there are many in NYC.

But I haven't been there in 5 years, so I can't say that with certainty, things may have changed.

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by 52-6F-62 on Thursday February 08, 2018 @04:39PM (#16335812)
They had an enclosure containing an environment for growing micro greens you could pick yourself. lol. It wasn't for us I/O'ers, though. I was impressed, but maybe I haven't been spoiled yet.

They did just have the one cafeteria when I was there, but I wouldn't talk it down. Waterloo isn't that large of an office, relatively speaking.

I wouldn't be surprised that the NYC location is slaying Kitchener/Waterloo. I'd hope so! I think the last time I was up that way was pre-university drinking with friends in Guelph and at the Sleeman Brewery. It's a nice place, and becoming more of a research and development hub, but still has a way to go.

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by cmrdporcupine on Thursday February 08, 2018 @06:33PM (#16336535)
The microgreens are not for self-picking, but the kitchen staff picks from it.

It's impressive to get fed 3 meals a daily, yes. Many things are impressive. But you'd be amazed how entitled the average Googler gets after a few months.

It is still a job after all.

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by 52-6F-62 on Friday February 09, 2018 @09:29AM (#16340375)
I guess we all get pretty used to our comforts when they come and what was once normal changes.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by samstave on Thursday February 08, 2018 @04:25PM (#16335717)
Google should recruit talent from youngsters by giving them a field trip to their various cafes.

"work hard and study, and this will be the food you can eat every day" as a motivational trope

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by ionforce on Thursday February 08, 2018 @02:04PM (#16334614)
> I used to work at Google NYC

Where do you work now?

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by djtriptych on Thursday February 08, 2018 @02:23PM (#16334794)
in ad tech
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by saalweachter on Thursday February 08, 2018 @11:25AM (#16333261)
Do the businesses in Chelsea Market rely heavily on traffic from the office-workers above? Store-fronts in NYC tend to be pretty disconnected from the office/residential spaces above, with a few notable exceptions.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by oplav on Thursday February 08, 2018 @11:37AM (#16333375)
I don't think so. I work upstairs at a non-Google company. Most of the time, the market floor is filled with non office workers. The lunch crowd might suffer a little bit since Google employees won't need to go down for meals.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by jowiar on Thursday February 08, 2018 @02:30PM (#16334845)
Last time I went to Chelsea Market I got the feeling of "Nobody (local) goes here... there are too many tourists and the experience walking around here is miserable" Times Square-esque
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by epc on Saturday February 10, 2018 @05:02PM (#16349879)
I live in the neighborhood. It's a nightmare to walk throthere during the day, but fairly quiet in the morning until 10. Also a decent place to pick up dinner after 6:00, especially if you enter through one of the side doors.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by CydeWeys on Thursday February 08, 2018 @03:29PM (#16335321)
Yes, this is exactly correct.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by zohaibr on Thursday February 08, 2018 @11:41AM (#16333408)
No, they don't. They get a ton of tourist business especially because High Line is right there.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by aaavl2821 on Thursday February 08, 2018 @12:07PM (#16333618)
It's a great place but so busy that id be loathe to drop in for a working lunch. That place and the Rockefeller center concourse are some of the rare places in the world where getting lunch can be more stressful than work
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by zephraph on Thursday February 08, 2018 @12:23PM (#16333759)
Not at all. It's always packed with tourists. Most of my coworkers and I go outside of CM to eat because it's pretty pricy.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by zohaibr on Thursday February 08, 2018 @11:40AM (#16333396)
MLB occupies some space. But they were moving to midtown in 2019 but their lease is until 2022. Bamtech (recently acquired by Disney is there). I don't know what's going to happen for us. We'll find out.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by ionforce on Thursday February 08, 2018 @02:05PM (#16334631)
> I don't know what's going to happen for us.

Who is us?

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by oh_sigh on Thursday February 08, 2018 @02:19PM (#16334738)
"BAMTech" aka the old live video streaming arm started by MLB. They were bought out by Disney, which will be using the tech as the backbone of their own streaming service which is coming out in 2020 or so
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by oplav on Thursday February 08, 2018 @02:53PM (#16335047)
Disney's new ESPN streaming push (which is also powered by BAMTech) is launching this spring.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/07/espns-streaming-service-wi...

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by oplav on Thursday February 08, 2018 @11:16AM (#16333170)
I'm pretty sure they are also doing some work on Pier 57, just past Chelsea Market.

https://www.6sqft.com/construction-update-googles-pier-57-ex...

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by lobster_johnson on Thursday February 08, 2018 @05:21PM (#16336113)
Speaking of, I passed the Google building recently, and most of the windows have two protuding panels mounted horizontally. Can be seen here [1]. Anyone know what it is? Just solar shades? Or solar panels? I don't think I've seen this before.

[1] https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7407095,-74.0017999,3a,75y,3...

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by skosch on Thursday February 08, 2018 @05:33PM (#16336192)
Just solar shades, likely – they look exactly like what my high school installed on the classroom windows many years ago, and those were purely for keeping the rooms from heating up too much in the high summer noon sun. Solar panels wouldn't make much sense, they aren't angled toward the sun's average position at all and would just shade each other out for most of the day.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by puzzle on Thursday February 08, 2018 @07:58PM (#16337022)
There is a telescope on the roof that tracks or is supposed to track the sun, though.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by aje403 on Thursday February 08, 2018 @11:15AM (#16333160)
*As long as this transaction does not ruin the ecosystem of CM then New Yorkers are OK

Want to highlight this :) Although, they're more than welcome to (quickly) renovate it and make the corridor wider...

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by yakitori on Thursday February 08, 2018 @02:09PM (#16334653)
> Chelsea Market is an amazing place with great offerings of food etc.

It really isn't. It's a tourist trap, especially with the completion of the High Line. The food isn't good and it's overpriced to take advantage of the tourists.

> As long as this transaction does not ruin the ecosystem of CM then New Yorkers are OK with this transaction.

Like new yorkers' opinions matters in manhattan. The only thing that matters in manhattan are billionaires - whether they be from california, israel, russia, china or anywhere else.

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by huehehue on Thursday February 08, 2018 @02:26PM (#16334820)
Oh stop the gatekeeping.

I don't think anyone really believes Chelsea Market is a culinary wonder, or that it's catering to the True(tm) New Yorker. It's pretty, it's in a fairly nice area, there's no entry fee, and it's easy to have fun there if you take it for what it is.

Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by notyourday on Thursday February 08, 2018 @07:47PM (#16336962)
Fishmarket at the lobster place is mindblowingly good. Otherwise one needs to go to hunts point to get stuff this good.
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by vikascoder on Friday February 09, 2018 @03:05PM (#16343411)
Yeah don't know what the complaint is about. The lobster place, tacos stand, Vietnamese sandwich shop are all really good spots to eat. And not expensive
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by jacobmoe on Thursday February 08, 2018 @02:21PM (#16334766)
I always enjoy the food there. What's _not_ a tourist trap in Manhattan?
Re:Google is buying Chelsea Market building for over $2B by bobthepanda on Thursday February 08, 2018 @02:20PM (#16334759)
Agreed. CM ten years ago was a real neighborhood spot. CM five years ago was basically turning into the hipster version of Herald Square.