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Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by onion2k on Monday February 05, 2018 @02:22AM (#16307175)
Voice as a user interface doesn't scale. If you have a lot of people in a small space (an office, a coffeeshop, a metro train, etc) then voice just won't work. From a technical perspective it could work with good direction microphones to isolate the user, and excellent voice recognition to eliminate accidental activations from other people, but the cost of those things would be prohibitive, and it'd still fail if the background noise level was too high. Where voice really fails is the simple fact that a lot of people would have issues dictating a sensitive or intimate message with their voice in public.

There will always need to be a second screen- or keyboard-based UI. That doesn't mean voice won't be hugely important, but it does mean it'll never be the whole story. Consequently, I don't see it being 'the future' of UIs.

Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by telesilla on Monday February 05, 2018 @03:06AM (#16307346)
Indeed, privacy! My doctor called the other day needing some private information while I was in the office with other people nearby, about to start a meeting. I couldn't leave the room to answer her and with my umming and ahhing she cleverly surmised I was unable to talk. Wanting the information quickly she turned to yes/no questions and got the info she needed. There's simply no way I'm gonna talk into my phone "Hey Google, renew my prescription for highly sensitive medication on the bus or anywhere outside the privacy of my own home.
Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by elboru on Monday February 05, 2018 @02:56AM (#16307314)
I think google agrees with you, you can type or speak to its assistant. I really only use Google's assistant to set alarms, it's a lot easier to say, wake me up in 20 minutes (or just typing the same query if someone else is sleeping), than looking for the "Clock" app, then clicking the add button in the "alarms" tab, then thinking what time should I set my alarm in order to sleep 20 mins.

My point is that there are a lot of really good use cases for Voice or Type commands, but a lot of them are really inconsistent or unpolished, I love how I can say "Play HipHop" and magically it will look for my Spotify's HipHop playlist and play it, but it's unpolished because it'll play the songs in a different order than how it would be played by opening the playlist manually, and it's inconsistent because if I ask the same command in the search bar it will look on google's "Play Music" instead of Spotify. It feels like they are working really hard in the backend, but too little in the frontend (if we can call it like that).

Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by ocdtrekkie on Monday February 05, 2018 @02:37AM (#16307230)
Indeed, back in my Google Glass days, I could "ok glass" a voice command, but heck if I ever actually wanted to. It's also super awkward in public... and I still look at people strangely today when they "ok google" something or the like.

In a home, I do totally get it. If it wasn't for the always listening microphones, I'd be up for it. But even then... I might ask my house to do something, I'm still going to manually want to type this comment.

Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by ben_w on Monday February 05, 2018 @03:28AM (#16307429)
(This is unedited output of Apple’s voice input):

Voice recognition when I’m out and about don’t want to get my phone out it’s for the best use for it for me but as this text shows voice recognition isn’t very good you had even indoors

Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by dalbasal on Monday February 05, 2018 @04:46AM (#16307732)
While this might be a set of problems, I don't think it is the current bottleneck. There are plenty of opportunities for VUI in quite/private settings, if it was a better way of interacting with machines.

IDK what the eventual VUIs look like, but I have a feeling were still at the discovery phase. Even operating GPS/calls/music via voice while driving is still awkward. In a car you have privacy, quite and a need to keep hands and eyes free. It should be the ideal environment for VUI.

Personally, I'm curious to see more voice used as an additional input to existing UIs, the way mouse, keyboard & touch are currently used simultaneously.

Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by ghaff on Monday February 05, 2018 @05:40AM (#16307934)
Agreed. I’d like to have full voice control in the car but it’s just not sophisticated enough to do anything other than a few simple rote commands without taking my eyes off the road and/or hands off the wheel.

I can’t just ask it what the last couple episodes of a podcast are, have it tell me, and say OK play the second one. Or transparently even handle nav without fiddling.

Voice recognition has gotten decent—though it’s better with Alexa’s directional microphones. NLP and taking associated actions is still pretty bad.

Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by dalbasal on Monday February 05, 2018 @06:00AM (#16308017)
I think we're of a similar mind.

Voice recognition and very simple NLP have gotten good pretty fast, and is still improving fast. That's necessary but not sufficient for a good UI.

The interaction model just isn't good enough yet. We probably need a podcatcher app to be built for voice-first, in order to discover the right UI.

Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by ghaff on Monday February 05, 2018 @07:40AM (#16308407)
I suspect you’re right. More conversational NLP would help. But, as a practical matter, we probably also need applications that are explicitly designed to work in concert with voice UIs rather than simply using voice as an alternative for filling in a search box or whatever. For example, you need apps that expect a certain back and forth to resolve an action.
Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by mrtksn on Monday February 05, 2018 @03:53AM (#16307533)
Actually, it depends how much you want to talk to your device.

If you really want this to work, we can install infrastructure at public places that can cooperate with your personal devices to improve your experience dramatically.

Think directional microphones and user tracking cameras that listens to you and watch your surroundings for you.

That way, you can have actual assistant as the infrastructure can be very knowledgable about the environment that's installed. For example, it can know how full the trains in the tube are and direct you to the optimal door, it an know the exact exit, it can know the wending machine and what it offers.

Suddenly, you will have voice UI to an intelligent assistant. Probably will feel as if it is a general purpose AI since it will be specialised for every location and occasion.

Maybe it can works as a subscription service where you gain advantage in crowded places against those who don't have a subscription or maybe it can be a public service and optimize the crowds movements and actions to improve productivity. Either model sounds dystopian but I would argue this is the direction we are headed to.

Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by jsilence on Monday February 05, 2018 @02:55AM (#16307311)
Would love to see ultra precise and reliable eye tracking that positions the cursor on screen. Left and right clicking could be implemented with hand gestures.

This would eliminate the bandwidth and privacy issues a voice UI has while allowing to keep the hands on the keyboard for working the cli.

Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by tzahola on Monday February 05, 2018 @03:36AM (#16307464)
Advertisers would love to see that too.
Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by hailk on Monday February 05, 2018 @04:05AM (#16307574)
I think gestures with combination of buttons has more potential to solve most interfacing challenges than voice. Unless a use-case where the instruction scope is complex enough to want the use of human language, voice as an interface seems more like a fun/cool feature rather than a utilitarian one.

It would be interesting if someone could come up with a list of interface challenges that voice could solve best.

One that I would like to have is a writing platform/software that is entirely functional with voice. Something of a similar nature: http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Quick-Quotes_Quill

Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by codesnik on Monday February 05, 2018 @04:10AM (#16307596)
I wonder, if using camera to read cues from lips and check if user watches on screen (as in addressing device) as a secondary channel to mic could improve situation.
Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by hux_ on Monday February 05, 2018 @03:04AM (#16307337)
Fully agree. People who work in this space, need to spend time with Deaf or hard-of-hearing users to fully understand the day to day issues. Otherwise there is a plethora of 'cool' highly controlled demonstrated use cases that haven't scaled.
Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by mto on Monday February 05, 2018 @11:34AM (#16309870)
While I agree about voice (and that even though I've been working on TTS for 6 years now ;)), I don't think screens and keyboards should be the ultimate goal, but rather something like brain-computer interfaces.
Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by singularity2001 on Monday February 05, 2018 @02:35AM (#16307223)
Mostly agree, but why would a directional microphone be 'prohibitive'? When it becomes the dominant UI it can be called 'the future', no?
Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by onion2k on Monday February 05, 2018 @02:55AM (#16307308)
I don't think it'll ever be the dominant UI. It works brilliantly in some situations (your house, your car) but there are more situations where it doesn't (everywhere else).
Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by singularity2001 on Monday February 05, 2018 @03:13AM (#16307370)
they work brilliantly in dedicated offices and even in cubicles if there are isolated enough, just like people mumble into their telephone at work and in trains today.
Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by rowyourboat on Monday February 05, 2018 @03:43AM (#16307494)
Around here, if somebody is talking into a phone on the train, they get dirty looks. It really is not at all common and pretty awkward. I have never witnessed anybody give a voice command to their phone.

At work, we isolate the frequent-phoners from those who have to concentrate for prolonged periods of time. If more poeple start talking at work, the distractions are going to get worse.

Re:Voice UI Is the Future. But When? by clort on Monday February 05, 2018 @04:54AM (#16307769)
Actually, only those who are talking loudly into a sensitive microphone held right next to their mouth get dirty looks. Plenty of people sit there having a quiet conversation and even from the seat in front or behind you can't hear them speaking