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Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by bpicolo on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @08:52AM (#16265229)
This is something I've been thinking about for a while - what would insurance companies (and even other companies in every vertical) look like with some incentive other than profit? Paying good salaries is one thing, but doing it for the sake of external shareholders is a different case.

Newman's Own is one interesting (and successful) example I can think of that's an otherwise for-profit company acting effectively as a charity. Are there papers/books about how effective this would be in practice?

Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by blendo on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @10:42AM (#16266145)
From ehealthinsurance.com: Kaiser Permanente is composed of Kaiser Foundation Health Plans (nonprofit, public-benefit corporations), Kaiser Foundation Hospitals (a nonprofit, public-benefit corporation), and the Permanente Medical Groups (for-profit professional organizations).

Our family have been members for over 20 years. I'd rate their health care as "good", but the real benefit is that we have NEVER had a billing dispute, because almost NOTHING is "out of network". On the rare occasions we've needed non-Kaiser health care (such as ER visits while traveling), we just give the bill to Kaiser, and they take it from there.

When the insurer owns the hospitals and contracts all the doctors, customer billing is almost friction-free.

Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by saltcured on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @08:30PM (#16270639)
Not only that, but Kaiser Permanente was formed for similar reasons. It was to provide healthcare for the employees of the Kaiser shipyards, a major industrial employer.
Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by pbreit on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @12:31PM (#16267109)
I would think the actual care would be the highest priority for most people. These companies are so closely watched that billing disputes are extremely rare.
Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by peteretep on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @10:47PM (#16271115)
Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:08AM (#16265353)
I'm at a cooperative nonprofit insurance company - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univ%C3%A9 - basically, it's cheaper and nicer.
Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by pmart123 on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:09AM (#16265361)
Perhaps Vanguard is an example of a mass mutual company that owes part of its success through its formation due to its ability to pass cost savings back to its customers in the form of lower fund fees?
Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by SilasX on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @06:36PM (#16270125)
My personal (unproven) theory is that the non-profit model works well for ventures that require very little entrepreneurial judgment, but poorly otherwise. Vanguard basically follows that: they mainly sell index funds, which a well-trained monkey can run.

Similarly, it makes more sense to have a non-profit coffee-buying employee group to buy coffee (at places that don't provide it for free) rather than pay a vendor to bring it in. But that's not because profit-making is an inherent drain on efficiency, but because the "judgment" that those profits are "buying" ... doesn't add much value.

Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by ihsw2 on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:25AM (#16265488)
Vanguard took decades to gain any traction and it was managed well enough to ensure it didn't prematurely burn out, and not only that but Jack Bogle spent his entire life evangelizing low-cost in an environment where "cost is no object" was a common mantra.

Not only that but the healthcare industry has extraordinarily high financial and legal barriers to entry.

Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by nabla9 on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:41AM (#16265601)
>extraordinarily high financial and legal barriers to entry.

If there is a company with enough muscle to force themselves into the business, it's Berkshire.

Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by ihsw2 on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:38AM (#16266662)
Considering their already extensive ground in insurance and JP Morgan's financial acuity, Amazon is in good hands. I know I'm hoping they encounter some success.
Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by 013a on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:36AM (#16265567)
> Managed well enough

Unlike Amazon and Berkshire, two of the best managed companies humanity has ever created?

> Extraordinarily high financial and legal barriers to entry

Unlike financial companies?

Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by ihsw2 on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:37AM (#16266653)
There are extraordinarily high expectations in the finance industry but the only barriers are regulatory compliance (with regards to fiduciary duty) and convincing people to throw money at you.
Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by blantonl on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:26AM (#16265497)
USAA would be a classic example
Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by sanmon3186 on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:23PM (#16270828)
Absolutely. So based on what I know their financial products and customer service is awesome but I doubt if it comes at a price which is lower than the market (even after considering what they give back to its members).
Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by blantonl on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @03:03PM (#16277041)
Their insurance risk pool is far more favorable - those in the military are generally more healthy than the general population, and they have pretty much guaranteed income.
Re:Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan to Create Healthcare Company by devonkim on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:17AM (#16265427)
I think you may be thinking about Effective Altruism conceptually but from a corporate rather than individual angle.