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Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by splintercell on Saturday January 27, 2018 @04:22PM (#16248135)
TL;DR: America is failing as a state because it is not a good European welfare state. School shootings, lack of public investment, lack of nationalized healthcare, opioid crises, income inequality, extreme capitalism, oligarchy. We need more Europe, less America in order to save America.

EDIT: Here [1] is more by the author on how making America more like Europe is the key to solving all of America's problems.

1. https://eand.co/the-american-dream-is-over-this-is-the-age-o...

Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by ken on Saturday January 27, 2018 @05:07PM (#16248368)
I didn't get that at all. The author doesn't mention Europe in this article, except for noting that the UK in the only other country with a declining life expectancy.

Asia and Africa are mentioned, a couple times, as examples of places that don't suffer from the same problems as America.

Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by splintercell on Monday January 29, 2018 @12:25PM (#16258956)
You must be new to the author, but check out his other articles, nearly every article is written the same way. And plenty of them mention Europe.
Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by IanDrake on Saturday January 27, 2018 @05:06PM (#16248364)
That seems like an accurate TL;DR to me.

Somehow the author wants to tie school shootings to lack of healthcare, I assume he thinks a single payer system would fix this.

However, it's not as if we went from a national healthcare system to a market based system and things disintegrated, the opposite is true.

Healthcare regulations and government intervention has increased of the last 50 years and things have gotten worst, and by worse, I mean expensive.

Having a family member with mental issues, I can assure you of what the real problem is...and you're not going to like it.

The real problem with mental health in the US is the institutions have been shut down and we no longer commit the mentally ill in mass. Instead they get forcefully drugged for a few weeks in a hospital, then they start behaving better, then they're released with a prescription, then they stop taking their meds. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by mcphage on Monday January 29, 2018 @09:40AM (#16257726)
> Somehow the author wants to tie school shootings to lack of healthcare, I assume he thinks a single payer system would fix this.

You're making a common error—Correlation does not imply Causation. The author is correlating these phenomenon, but not implying a causal relationship. Instead, he's positing that there's an additional cause to both—that America is in the midst of a societal collapse.

Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by lafar6502 on Saturday January 27, 2018 @04:32PM (#16248181)
Europe will collapse much faster and in much more spectacular ways. Remind me, how many years have passed since last war in Europe vs America?
Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by mdekkers on Saturday January 27, 2018 @04:35PM (#16248197)
Remind me, how many years have passed since last war in Europe vs America?

Make no mistake, America's main export is war. Europe? Central Europe has been at peace since WWII - thanks mostly to the EU. America on the other hand hasn't stopped waging wars since WWII

Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by refurb on Saturday January 27, 2018 @04:53PM (#16248288)
You act like Europe played no part in the first gulf war, the second gulf war or Afghanistan. That's not true at all.
Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by zip1234 on Saturday January 27, 2018 @05:09PM (#16248381)
Also, Bosnia, Chechnya, Kosovo, Georgia, and Ukraine...
Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by shillno1138 on Saturday January 27, 2018 @04:53PM (#16248286)
This comment is ahistorical to an extreme degree.

The EU was not founded until 1993.

This is not a 'rah rah America' statement, however, the European continent after WWII was rebuilt via the economic engine and output of the United States.

You can take a look at the rebuilding post-war effort of Western Europe vs Eastern Europe to see the clear delineation of success. Does no-one remember the Balkan wars, and post war scarcity that existed to a more extreme detriment in Eastern Europe than Western?

I do agree with the statement that America has not stopped waging wars, this is a factual statement.

Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by shinryuu on Saturday January 27, 2018 @05:00PM (#16248335)
While the european union was formally established 1993 it was built on European Economic Community which was established 1951. In other words the European countries have worked on coming closer and closer over the past half century.
Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by mdekkers on Saturday January 27, 2018 @05:07PM (#16248365)
This comment is ahistorical to an extreme degree. The EU was not founded until 1993.

You could not be more wrong. The EU was built from the ashes of WWII: https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/history_en

the European continent after WWII was rebuilt via the economic engine and output of the United States.

This has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, so I'll take that as a "rah rah America" statement.

Does no-one remember the Balkan wars, and post war scarcity that existed to a more extreme detriment in Eastern Europe than Western?

Well, everybody that survived the balkan wars are sure to remember, and so do their offspring. Again, nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by dang on Saturday January 27, 2018 @05:36PM (#16248497)
Could you please not use HN for ideological battle? These disputes are always all the same, which makes them off topic here. On HN only the diffs count as interesting.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse by lafar6502 on Sunday January 28, 2018 @12:53PM (#16252321)
Are you disagreeing with what, exactly?