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Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by kwindla on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:12AM (#16228919)
An Australian on a surf trip a few years ago fell off a boat in the Mentawais and survived 27 hours with no flotation help.

75 hours in cold water is crazy, but the diver didn't have to keep himself afloat. I find it almost unbelievable that it's possible to swim and tread water -- even in warm salt water -- for 27 hours.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/12/alone-lost-overb...

https://stabmag.com/news/missing-south-african-surfer-found-...

Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by thorin on Thursday January 25, 2018 @04:19AM (#16229741)
If you're interested in this topic, watch this film based on a true story about an Icelander who survived at sea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deep_(2012_film)
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by ptaipale on Thursday January 25, 2018 @05:40AM (#16230027)
That man must be an interesting sample for the research of human physiology.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by 8_hours_ago on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:11PM (#16233021)
And they did study him!

Article about it in New Scientist: https://books.google.com/books?id=rYIJJP7audkC&lpg=PA26&dq=g...

Here's the study "Exceptional case of survival in cold water": http://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/292/6514/171.2.full.pdf

They immersed him in 5.3C water for 83 minutes, and only stopped the experiment because of discomfort in his feet. His temperature only dropped by about 1C.

Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by ptaipale on Friday January 26, 2018 @10:40AM (#16239956)
Yes, that was remarkable. That paper says he was a large man with some body fat, but from what I recall (an Icelandic colleague once referred to this), the fat type in his body differed from that usually found in people. Children have "brown fat" which usually changes to "white fat" in adults, but this man had a far higher than normal composition of "brown fat" for an adult.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by joevandyk on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:42AM (#16229029)
Salt water is buoyant. If you know how to float, it doesn’t take much energy.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by Mandatum on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:12AM (#16229136)
It does depend on your body composition. The largest energy drain on a person stagnant in water is their body working to keep them warm, and then breathing (lungs have to expand, muscles have to contract, water has to be displaced).

Lying flat, arms out reduces the work needed to stay afloat - but will drain your core temperature faster (although after 27 hours it doesn't really matter, you'll shiver your way to stay warm "enough" or hypothermia will set in).

I can't find the study I read after that movie came out a few years ago on this exact scenario. Will reply or edit my post if I can find it.

Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by jeffhuys on Thursday January 25, 2018 @05:28AM (#16229988)
Some people simply cannot float. Me included. I've had 3 different instructors try to tell and show me that everyone can float. I can't. I have 5 swimming certificates, I'm fit, but I think I just don't have enough body fat? Even in the Red Sea (if it's called that in English) I can't float. Not for more than 5 seconds.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by curun1r on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:38PM (#16233279)
My experience with people who don't float easily is that they're not expanding their lungs enough. When you train in diving, you realize just how much different your buoyancy is when you have a full breath compared to an exhale. On my first few dives, I realized that I didn't trust the equipment enough and kept my lungs full while only taking shallow breaths. Learning to dive with mostly empty lungs made it so much easier and allowed me to get rid of all but one weight on my belt.

When I started training in freediving (apnea), I learned how to take much fuller breaths. I can almost guarantee that if you haven't done that kind of training, strengthened your diaphragm and learned 3-zone breathing, you aren't taking in nearly as much air as you could.

Our bodies are mostly water and the amount of mass that we have that's denser than water isn't that much denser. But water is a lot denser than air and the more you can add air volume, the more buoyant you become. Learning to float is a matter of learning to maximize your volume. Some density numbers from the internet...

Salt water: 1.03g/ml Fresh water: 1g/ml Muscle: 1.06g/ml Bone: 1.1g/ml (approximate...couldn't find a good source for this) Fat: 0.9g/ml Air: 0.0023g/ml

The numbers seem to back up your instructors. As you can see, all these values are fairly close except for air, so adding more air to your volume can dramatically change your buoyancy. Wikipedia lists the average adult male lung capacity at 6L, so a 5L breath should be achievable for most. In salt water, that 5L breath will add more than 5kg of buoyancy, which is enough to float around 400 lbs of muscle or 176 lbs of bone. In fresh water, that same 5L breath will add a bit less, enough to cancel out 193 lbs of muscle or 121 lbs of bone. There's no way that I can know your body composition, but those numbers are very substantial. The more likely is that you're just not getting anywhere near 5L of air in your lungs.

If you're ever into you're trying it again, look up some stretches to open up the lungs. Then practice breathing shallowly with nearly-full lungs. If you're able to do that, you'll probably be able to float laying on your back, where your head is mostly submerged...remember, every part of your body above the surface counts against your buoyancy, for the same reason that air in the lungs matters so much.

Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by ralphie02 on Thursday January 25, 2018 @06:13AM (#16230125)
Maybe your bones are too dense, though to be honest, I've never heard of anyone with your issue in floating/treading water. I've always assumed that everyone has enough buoyancy to float most of their body.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by darkmarmot on Thursday January 25, 2018 @07:42AM (#16230413)
I'm super skinny and sink straight to the bottom of a pool. Same issues :(
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by cafard on Thursday January 25, 2018 @08:24AM (#16230587)
I float, but not much more of me is out of the water than I could cover with my hand. Even with more fat than I like to carry, I can stand on the bottom of a swimming pool. This greatly amuses my wife, who can lift her toes out of the water, while mine are pointing straight down.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by oh_sigh on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:04PM (#16232399)
My friend claimed he couldn't float . And it appeared he couldnt when he tried. But I put my full mask scuba mask on him and magically he could float. My theory is that he was craning his beck when his face got closeish to water, messing with his form
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by Lukas_Skywalker on Thursday January 25, 2018 @07:02AM (#16230280)
Neither do I. My legs always sink. The long muscular legs and low body fat might kill me one day.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by simonebrunozzi on Thursday January 25, 2018 @11:09AM (#16231814)
You might have low fat, a lot of "white" muscle (explosive sprint), and not a lot of "red" one (endurance). White is heavier than red. Also, bone density and lung volume might be factors.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by daurnimator on Thursday January 25, 2018 @08:05AM (#16230525)
I have the same problem! Sinkers unite!

My theory is that I keep less air in my lungs on a normal out breath than others.

Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by medion on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:13AM (#16229144)
Have you ever tried that in the open ocean? It's quite different from a pool, or a river.

-Spent over 120 days in the open ocean aboard a 25ft boat.

Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by dsacco on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:43AM (#16229247)
> Have you ever tried that in the open ocean? It's quite different from a pool, or a river.

-Spent over 120 days in the open ocean aboard a 25ft boat.

I have. I find it distinctively easier than pools, lakes and rivers. The commenter is right, it doesn’t take much energy, comparatively speaking.

- Just a guy who has floated on water.

Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by jamiegreen on Thursday January 25, 2018 @02:49AM (#16229441)
I find it near impossible, mostly due to waves that push water into your eyes and mouth!
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by tomc1985 on Thursday January 25, 2018 @03:10AM (#16229513)
You can also float in seawater in the fetal position. Your head will be below water but it is easy to come up for air periodically.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by mehrdadn on Thursday January 25, 2018 @04:53AM (#16229848)
> You can also float in seawater in the fetal position. Your head will be below water but it is easy to come up for air periodically.

Easy to periodically come up, like, every 30 seconds? 3240 times in a row?

Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by tomc1985 on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:56PM (#16232892)
Well if you stay calm its more like once a minute or two. When I learned the technique they forced us to stay in the water like this for half an hour, it does kind of suck after a while.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by honest_george on Thursday January 25, 2018 @05:00AM (#16229882)
How much heat would you lose by submerging your head and neck, versus how much would you gain by keeping the fetal position? I'm not sure if that's a positive tradeoff.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by tomc1985 on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:57PM (#16232894)
Keep in mind fetal position requires almost no effort to maintain.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by ganeshkrishnan on Thursday January 25, 2018 @03:43AM (#16229625)
Most big waves are only close to the beach when water breaks over the sand
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by grogenaut on Thursday January 25, 2018 @04:28AM (#16229774)
Can't reply to child asking about the pacific so here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHrCI9eSJGQ

That whole 30 days is calm.

Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by Flip-per on Thursday January 25, 2018 @08:21AM (#16230574)
Big waves travel over long distances in the open sea. But it's not the big waves that would disturb when you are floating around, they would just make you float up and down a bit. More disturbing are the small waves that are caused by nearby winds. At the ocean you very often have some wind nearby (depends on the region, season etc).
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by basejumping on Thursday January 25, 2018 @04:24AM (#16229763)
After watching the talisker atlantic challenge for the last month I think you're wrong. Or is the pacific much quieter than the atlantic?
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by medion on Thursday January 25, 2018 @06:28PM (#16235745)
No.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by datpuz on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:12AM (#16229140)
Maybe even more amazing is that Courtney Dauwalter ran the Moab 240 ultra marathon (240 miles) non-stop in 2.5 days.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by soperj on Thursday January 25, 2018 @03:08AM (#16229504)
Al Howie ran across Canada(7295.5 km) in 72 days, 10 hours and 23 minutes. Which is about 2/3 of Courtney's speed but for 72 days straight.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by wellboy on Thursday January 25, 2018 @06:02AM (#16230096)
72 days straight means without sleep?
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by jlgaddis on Thursday January 25, 2018 @09:28AM (#16230928)
According to Wikipedia [0]:

> ... the holder of the scientifically documented record for the longest a human has intentionally gone without sleep ... stayed awake for 264.4 hours (11 days 25 minutes).

So I'm gonna guess "no", it doesn't mean "without sleep".

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Gardner_(record_holder)

Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by jandrese on Thursday January 25, 2018 @11:35AM (#16232077)
That sounds insanely dangerous. People often get brain damage from staying awake that long.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by michaelmior on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:59AM (#16229295)
Non-stop in the sense that there aren't any staged pauses, but she undoubtedly stopped to sleep at some point. What really blew my mind is that she finished 10 hours ahead of the next competitor.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by latch on Thursday January 25, 2018 @06:33AM (#16230195)
The story of Cliff Young will undoubtedly blow your mind:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Young_(athlete)#Sydney_t...

Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by rplnt on Thursday January 25, 2018 @04:10AM (#16229715)
Rest sure, but sleep isn't usually employed much in endurance events. In RAAM (bike from west coast US to east coast) winners sleep maybe 10 to 20 hours over the whole race which lasts 10 days.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by Kiro on Thursday January 25, 2018 @02:21AM (#16229364)
She only slept 1 minute actually.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by zaroth on Thursday January 25, 2018 @07:45AM (#16230429)
So not nonstop then.
Re:Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean by prawks on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:20PM (#16233112)
Marathon swimmers swim 20+ hours depending on the swim.