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Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by machiaweliczny on Saturday January 20, 2018 @12:40PM (#16194310)
He doesn't have to work there. Why not leave?
Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by pkaye on Saturday January 20, 2018 @12:46PM (#16194349)
He explains it in the last paragraph...

>I applied for the job through the jobcentre. I’ve thought about quitting, but I can’t leave of my own accord. If I did, I’d be sanctioned by the jobcentre and lose my entitlement for benefits and support for six months. I don’t have much choice but to carry on working there. Unless I can find a new job, I’m locked into place.

Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by zaroth on Saturday January 20, 2018 @12:56PM (#16194415)
He needs to keep working there just until he finds something better. If his Amazon shift is the best he can find, I’m glad it’s available to him. With no job opportunity he would also lose his government benefits.

Amazon is providing a huge service to offer jobs with such a low entry requirement. The alternative is not a better job — as he says, there isn’t one or he would leave and take it in a millisecond. The options are Amazon job and government benefits or no job and no benefits.

Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by corin_ on Saturday January 20, 2018 @01:14PM (#16194512)
He couldn’t get unemployment benefits if he chooses to leave a job, but if this job didn’t exist then he could, so it’s very misleading to suggest that if Amazon hadn’t provided this job he would have “no job and no benefits”.

(I do think that the unemployment benefits system is shitty here in the UK, I certainly wouldn’t enjoy having to rely on it, but that’s a separate topic.)

Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by walshemj on Saturday January 20, 2018 @02:51PM (#16195072)
For single people its 73.10 under 24 its 57.9 and only lasts 6 months.

Also as statutory benefits are based on full years you could end up at retirement age not getting a full pension - this is the main reason why well paid people also sign on to make sure they don't miss out when older.

Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by tonyedgecombe on Saturday January 20, 2018 @03:44PM (#16195316)
You can get NI credits if you are claiming benefits because you are unemployed or ill.
Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by walshemj on Saturday January 20, 2018 @05:13PM (#16195702)
Yes that was my point you have to sign on to do that and spend 35hous a week on your job search and you have to have enough contributions which is a bummer if your employer goes bust owning NI contributions.
Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by andrepd on Saturday January 20, 2018 @01:04PM (#16194461)
What an appalling reasoning.

You realize you could replace 'worker' with 'serf' and 'Amazon' with 'feudal lord' in that post and it would be a shining defence of feudalism?

Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by terminal_city on Saturday January 20, 2018 @02:14PM (#16194883)
Nonsense. The kid works 4 days a week for good pay for the jobs performed. He admits to banking 650 a month, with only 250 in non-work related expenses. He works three months, he can quit, and have enough cash on hand to support at least 6 months of job search... and then the dole will kick in.

The catch? He actually has to want to do it.

How is this like serfdom?

Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by IkmoIkmo on Saturday January 20, 2018 @12:55PM (#16194409)
Finding a job with no university degree in Southend is not as easy for him as you may think.

More importantly, the job likely won't be much better than what he has.

The point isn't so much that the job sucks and that he can find something else. For me the article says something about the very nature of many 21st century jobs at 'innovative' 21st century tech companies.

I mean, the pay ain't that bad, it's quite similar to median daily wages in the US for example. The issue is that he's working with robots, doesn't talk to people or even his parents, is unable to keep up a social life, sleeps during his off-time and is basically miserable.

Now what do you think happens when he leaves that job? Someone else will take his place. Maybe at a marginally higher rate, if enough people are reluctant to take the job. But inherently, that's not a job we should be having in one of the richest countries on the planet. There's no issue with menial labour, but we surely must be able to design our work/life balance better than for people to lose interaction with other human beings, losing passion for their hobbies, sleeping their time on this earth away when they're not working like a robot.

Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by zaroth on Saturday January 20, 2018 @01:00PM (#16194436)
There’s other job that this guy (and many others like him) are qualified for. I’d rather he shuffle boxes than just get UBI and contribute nothing.

Ideally he would shuffle boxes the mandatory minimum work hours required to keep his government benefits and spend an additional 40 hours a work studying & training for something better paying.

Career advancement isn’t going to be handed to you on a fucking silver platter. This guy has a good life and works is fairly safe and low stress conditions, is paid fairly, and isn’t trying terribly hard to become better. What else was I supposed to take away from the article?

Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by guskel on Saturday January 20, 2018 @01:04PM (#16194464)
>The issue is that he's working with robots, doesn't talk to people or even his parents, is unable to keep up a social life, sleeps during his off-time and is basically miserable.

hmmm why does this sound familiar.

Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by slater on Saturday January 20, 2018 @12:42PM (#16194319)
A stunningly ignorant reply.
Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by bcit-cst on Saturday January 20, 2018 @12:44PM (#16194333)
"Let them eat cake ?"
Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by fullshark on Saturday January 20, 2018 @12:50PM (#16194379)
“Why doesn’t he learn to code?”
Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by albertgoeswoof on Saturday January 20, 2018 @12:46PM (#16194348)
But he really doesn’t have to work there. He lives with his parents and doesn’t spend any of the money he earns anyway.
Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by specializeded on Saturday January 20, 2018 @12:48PM (#16194361)
You all really need to learn to read the article before spewing your shite eveywhere, there is literally an entire paragraph dedicated to why.
Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by albertgoeswoof on Saturday January 20, 2018 @12:51PM (#16194386)
I read the article, he’s claiming he’s stuck because he won’t get JSA if he leaves. But he has no outgoings, no costs or anything. He’s saving 1k every month! So he can quit anytime he likes, and do anything he wants
Re:The Amazon worker: paid £18,000 a year to shift 250 items... by jotm on Saturday January 20, 2018 @01:14PM (#16194515)
If he can't find a new job now, why would you think he's going to find one if he quits? The smart approach is to look for a new job while working at your current one. And he can't find one!

Otherwise, he'll end up spending those savings just living and looking for a job, and the government won't pay him any benefits because he quit of his own volition.

Now sure, he can learn a new trade in his free time, but the reality is that most people don't realize that's an option (they think they need to get a few years of college or something), can't learn anything useful, or they're too tired to do anything after a hard day at work.