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Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by reaperducer on Friday January 19, 2018 @02:33PM (#16189027)
Looks promising. I used to use Little Snitch, but last year they decided to charge for the new version, and I uninstalled it.

Little Snitch was effective, but overly complex for the average user. I'm sure it's great for someone who configures networks on a regular basis, but as a Mac user, I just want to use my Mac. If I wanted to twiddle with security settings all day long, I'd still be on Windows.

This looks like it might be a good, simple, replacement. Hopefully as it evolves it doesn't get swamped by feature bloat.

Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by ballenf on Friday January 19, 2018 @03:18PM (#16189397)
That comment makes me chuckle. These days, I have close to zero faith in commercial software that is "free", assuming that the business model is selling my data.

I happily paid for Little Snitch and was comforted by the fact that I was the customer.

Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by craftyguy on Friday January 19, 2018 @03:36PM (#16189540)
Nothing prevents companies that sell you proprietary software from also selling your data.
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by staunch on Friday January 19, 2018 @04:13PM (#16189903)
True. But in practice, a software company that's making money from users has a lot of incentive not to harm their brand, or open themselves up to competition, by being shady.

It does happen but users are waking up to the problem and companies are learning.

Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by coding123 on Friday January 19, 2018 @03:49PM (#16189670)
Well I'm assuming things like this helps:

  We do not share nor sell your data.
https://www.obdev.at/privacy-policy.html

However you may be referring to the same notion that nothing stops someone from murdering someone else.

Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by vezycash on Friday January 19, 2018 @04:15PM (#16189932)
Until the company is acquired. And then the disclaimer disappears silently.
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by rhencke on Friday January 19, 2018 @04:35PM (#16190078)
Which... has never happened with the company behind Little Snitch.
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by hueving on Friday January 19, 2018 @11:47PM (#16192113)
And it never happened to every other company that has been acquired...
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by inopinatus on Friday January 19, 2018 @05:48PM (#16190659)
Outcomes from such clauses also hinge on whether metadata describing the operation of their system - such as logs showing who communicated with who - is your data, or their data.

Following recent changes to law here in Australia, for example, metadata is essentially the property of the state.

Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by reaperducer on Friday January 19, 2018 @05:41PM (#16190582)
>I happily paid for Little Snitch and was comforted by the fact that I was the customer.

I paid for it, too. But then the upgrades went from complimentary to paid, and I bailed.

Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by hesk on Friday January 19, 2018 @07:17PM (#16191156)
The new major version offers a lot more functionality. I looked into it and decided I wanted it, so I upgraded. I assume that I could have stayed with the old major version but I'm not sure.
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by pilsetnieks on Saturday January 20, 2018 @02:12AM (#16192452)
With High Sierra you couldn't, the previous version doesn't work on it.
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by Udo_Schmitz on Saturday January 20, 2018 @06:15AM (#16192981)
3.8.2 works with High Sierra
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by paulie_a on Saturday January 20, 2018 @10:25AM (#16193641)
That is the traditional business model of software
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by guelo on Friday January 19, 2018 @03:54PM (#16189722)
Indeed. I'm especially suspicious of "security" software. Releasing free high quality security seems to be a popular attack vector for advertisers, spammers, hackers, and nation states.
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by icelancer on Friday January 19, 2018 @03:50PM (#16189673)
This comment makes me chuckle. The idea that since you pay for something means that the company won't sell your data.
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by coding123 on Friday January 19, 2018 @03:51PM (#16189687)
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by matthewmacleod on Friday January 19, 2018 @03:53PM (#16189704)
It doesn’t guarantee it, no. But it does mean that there are fewer incentives in place to do so.
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by ballenf on Saturday January 20, 2018 @11:02AM (#16193788)
I didn't mean to mock the sentiment and you're absolutely right to take a very cynical approach these days to any privacy promises.
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by simplify on Friday January 19, 2018 @03:08PM (#16189329)
I've gladly paid for Little Snitch twice. OS X attempts so many random connections now I don't know what I'd do without it.
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by keyboardmonkey on Friday January 19, 2018 @03:47PM (#16189650)
oh dear, LittleSnitch wanted to charge money for creating a really handy tool, how terrible.
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by prepend on Friday January 19, 2018 @05:09PM (#16190309)
It’s the charge for upgrades that I don’t like. I bought it once, upgrades should be free. Or so significant that I want to pay.
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by pmarreck on Friday January 19, 2018 @07:05PM (#16191096)
Show me this universe where programmers don’t have to eat after their 1.0!
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by discordance on Saturday January 20, 2018 @02:02AM (#16192425)
It depends... If I'm paying for an update that fixes bugs/issues released in a prior version then I don't expect to pay for that.

If the new version has a lot of new features I would be OK paying for that.

Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by vim_wannabe on Friday January 19, 2018 @06:24PM (#16190885)
Now we just need to figure out who pays for those upgrades. I think we could try a scheme where we keep growing the user base so more recent customers pay for the prior customers' upgrades.

Hmm, wait a minute...

Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by sudouser on Friday January 19, 2018 @06:49PM (#16191016)
sounds nice, i'm in, now i'm get some people under this not-a-pyramid
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by zarify on Friday January 19, 2018 @05:46PM (#16190646)
Considering Apple's constant shifting of goalposts with macOS, what counts as "significant" in your book, even disregarding user-facing features? And how significant is the ~$50 they want for it?
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by always_good on Friday January 19, 2018 @08:15PM (#16191433)
It's just $25 for an upgrade.

I have to roll my eyes at someone who scoffs at a $25 upgrade every few years.

If they're not cool with funding any future development on the product, then they must be cool with not upgrading. But of course they instead entitle themselves to all of your future labor because they once threw some shekels your way.

Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by sudouser on Friday January 19, 2018 @06:47PM (#16191006)
you only need to pay every 3-5 years aaaaand only if you want to upgrade, aaaaaaand you can keep using your last updated version, aaaand only 50% of the full price
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by pilsetnieks on Saturday January 20, 2018 @02:13AM (#16192456)
You can't, if you also want to upgrade your OS. v3 doesn't work on High Sierra.
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by Udo_Schmitz on Saturday January 20, 2018 @06:17AM (#16192986)
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by sudouser on Saturday January 20, 2018 @10:52PM (#16196787)
yep, they even did some fixes for Yosemite
Re:LuLu: An open-source macOS firewall that blocks unknown o... by chisleu on Friday January 19, 2018 @03:32PM (#16189518)
I paid for the old version. I like it.

I think they only charge for the new microphone / camera portions of the new version.